Is America a Christian Nation? Should America Be a Christian Nation?

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  1. mswan

    mswan Well-Known Member

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    Is America a Christian nation? Maybe. Should America be a Christian nation? Yes.

    We've heard a lot about Christian Nationalism in recent years, particularly with the left's bizarre obsession with Marjorie Taylor Greene's self-avowed beliefs in Christian Nationalism as she understands it. She's not alone in her beliefs. According to a recent Pew Research Poll 60% of respondents believe America as founded was intended to be a Christian nation, and 45% say America should be a Christian nation.

    Views of the U.S. as a ‘Christian nation’ and opinions about ‘Christian nationalism’
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religio...ion-and-opinions-about-christian-nationalism/

    "The survey asked half of respondents whether they think the founders “originally intended” for the United States to be a Christian nation, whether the country “is now” a Christian nation, and whether it “should be” a Christian nation.

    Most adults (60%) say the founders of the United States originally intended for it to be a Christian nation. A third say the U.S. is currently a Christian nation. And more than four-in-ten Americans (45%) say the country should be a Christian nation."

    "Respondents who received these questions were also asked the open-ended question, “In your own words, what does the phrase ‘Christian nation’ mean to you?” Overall, Americans express widely varying ideas of what being a Christian nation means.

    A third of Americans (34%) express in some way that being a Christian nation involves the general guidance of Christian beliefs and values in society. Within this category, some say it specifically means people having faith in God (11% of all respondents) or Jesus Christ (7%), while others say a Christian nation is one in which the majority of the population is Christian (7%). These types of descriptions are much more common among those who say the U.S. should be a Christian nation compared with those who think the U.S. should not be a Christian nation (48% vs. 23%).

    One respondent with this understanding defines a Christian nation as “people that believe in God and follow his word and beliefs.” Another says, “A nation that loves God and others with no discrimination.” Many respondents also express some version of “in God we trust” or “one nation under God.”
    These bolded excerpts from the poll results reflect my belief about Christian Nationalism, and, yes, I believe the United States should be a Christian nation.





     
  2. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have mixed feelings here. I understand most of the precepts on which this Nation was founded are very Christian in nature. Freedom of Religion being one of them. Individual Liberty another. There are those who believe they inherited Christianity yet share little in common with Biblical precepts. Declaring we are a Christian Nation will not stop abortion, gender delusions, greed, or corruption. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars". Our true government is the Kingdom of Heaven. We try our best here on earth.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does being a "Christian nation" even mean? Every religion believes in God in one form or another. Are you worried about the semantics of various traditions?
     
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  4. mswan

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    No, I'm not worried about various traditions, and I'm not saying they should be discriminated against. But we should be a Christian nation and others should respect that. When I go to Japan or Saudi Arabia I respect their national culture and obey and don't question their values and beliefs. I still live according to Christian values wherever I am.
     
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    No, it shouldn't be a Christian nation. It is a constitutional republic I think that works best. I don't mind the Christian values in fact I think many of them are great.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    It has worked for 247 years. Why change it now?
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess I don’t see what would change. Would you arrest those whose insulted Christianity? I wouldn’t be for that.
     
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    Too many of 'xtian god's' rulebook for human-beings runs counter to what we, as Americans, actually stand for. We are about allowing people to live their lives as free individuals, not people whose freedom (or worse) are put into jeopardy because we do things with our dangly parts, whereas XGH's handbook will tell you that such people, even if they are otherwise amazingly awesome people, still should be put to death, hanged, stoned, or otherwise killed. No, I will not abide by that sort of inhumane bullshit.

    When it comes to issues of a 'sexual nature', which is in my experience what y'all are talking about when labeling our society as a 'xtian nation', no such freedoms are granted, in fact, they are fought all the way, even past the point (that we hit before I was even born) they're lost, they know they've lost.

    Xtianity, as well as all western religions I am familiar with, is not at ALL compatible with the idea of a Free Country made-up of free individuals. If that were not the case, even having this conversation would be a waste of oxygen.

    There actually are a lot of positive things ctianity offers, like the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself, and the idea of turning the other cheek, but so much of it is not. At all.
     
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    “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other,
    or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.
    You cannot serve God and mammon.

    The United States is protected on both East and West by huge oceans,
    on the North by trees and bears, and on the South by deserts and cactus plants.

    To feed our huge weapons making industry we have to go out and
    make a lot of enemies.

    You cannot serve both peace and war.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Then what would I, your average ordinary man confined to a wheelchair, but who does love going to orgies, would find my own life unaffected at all?
     
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    Then.... what would change? What is the point? Just to say “my religion is superior to yours”?
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Don't you know that Americans, generally, are pretty ignorant, on a host of topics, including history? Or, are you, one them?


    https://thehill.com/opinion/educati...-of-american-history-we-are-a-nation-at-risk/

    (Note: the Hill, is not a leftwing news source)

    <Snip>

    Only one in three Americans is capable of passing the U.S. citizenship exam. That was the finding of a survey recently conducted by the Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation of a representative sample of 1,000 Americans. Respondents were asked 20 multiple choice questions on American history, all questions that are found on the publicly available practice exam for the U.S. Citizenship Test.

    This research could be lumped in with a multitude of previous studies that lament shortcomings in Americans’ knowledge and skills in a host of fields. But that would be a serious error because this finding is not about bashing our schools, our students, or our fellow citizens. The importance of this study is that the future of our nation is at stake. Knowledge of a nation’s history by its citizens is essential to preserving all democratic societies.
    <End Snip>

    Video at link site.


    While we may trounce most nations in our knowledge of firearms-- when it comes to history: not so much. Not even our own history.

    A core precept of American values, even as a colony, has pretty much always been freedom of religion. And one of the first precepts we we declared would define us, as a new country, was a
    separation of Church and State.
     
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    "We are no more a "Christian nation" because the majority are Christian than we are a "White nation" because the majority is White ~ Kalev"
     
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    Your life probably wouldn't be affected. Wfy would it be?
     
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    We trust God so little we even need to bring Ukraine, way over in the middle of Europe, into our North Atlantic Treaty Organization, even though Russia absolutely forbade it.

    We should love others, including our neighbor the Russian Federation, our neighbor across the Bering Strait.


    23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We defile Christianity. We claim to be Christian but we pay no attention to what our
    nation is doing in other parts of the earth.


    I used to have a hobby of asking people in the generation that served in Vietnam, how many people were killed in the Vietnam War. Not one came within a factor of a hundred and not one cared.

    And it is the same right now. How did Russia start the war in Ukraine on Feb 24 2022 when Jens Stoltenberg General Secretary of NATO stated clearly that the war started in
    2014?

    Nobody knows and nobody even cares.
     
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    What did you not understand about what I stated matches my beliefs?

    "A nation that loves God and others with no discrimination."

    "Many respondents also express some version of “in God we trust” or “one nation under God."

    "...this understanding defines a Christian nation as “people that believe in God and follow his word and beliefs."



     
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    Who, or what, is or was "Kalev?"
     
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    I guess we are all just wondering what the heck you are talking about then. It seems like what you are saying is that nothing would change at all, which makes this all pointless.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As long as we don't care about killing people all over the planet, drone strikes in Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, and Pakistan, bombs plus drones totalled 26,171 in one year,

    as long as no Americans died, we don't need to care.

    US mainstream Christianity is a funny sort of Christianity.
     
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    1) I had stopped reading at the point I'd quoted up to, because you were clearly suggesting that just because Americans have this erroneous belief, that our country was intended to be a "Christian nation," was somehow a justification for our becoming one.

    2) Believing in "God," does not equate, necessarily, with being "Christian."
     
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    I'm talking about our country needing a moral revival aligned with Christian values and moral teachings.
     
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    mswan Well-Known Member

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    OK, if you stopped reading your comments are not worth much anyway.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Christian faith is a very good answer to our problems, perhaps the only one.

    There was a Christian revival in England in the 1700s, England ended the slave
    trade in 1807 and freed all slaves in 1833, redeeming them by buying their freedom.
    The nation took out a huge loan for the payments and finally finished paying that
    loan in (I really need to go to bed right now).
     

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