Is China the first non-Caucasian "great power competitor" to US?

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  1. reedak

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    1. ….The director of policy planning at the US State Department, Kiron Skinner, raised eyebrows last month when she described the (US-Sino) rivalry as a "a fight with a really different civilisation and a different ideology."

    Skinner put it in racial terms, telling a security forum the China was first US "great power competitor that is not Caucasian"....

    Poster's comment: Contrary to history, China is not the first non-Caucasian "great power competitor" to the US, as claimed by Skinner.

    In order to debunk Skinner's claim, let us take a look at America's 243 years of conflicts and wars since its declaration of independence on July 4, 1776.

    The following is the chronology of events since the discovery of the so-called New World by Columbus in 1492.

    2. (a) Christopher Columbus's first voyage in 1492

    Poster's comment: Using the "Psycho" analogy in my previous posts, the American native community was definitely the first non-Caucasian victim to be dragged into the torture chamber for the extraction of all "teeth, finger nails, toe nails and hair" by the "Psycho".
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    Using the favourite catchword of Trump and other white supremacists, their European ancestors had "stolen" a whole country from the American natives.

    (b) 1700-1799

    The American Revolution (sometimes referred to as the American War of Independence or the Revolutionary War) was a conflict that lasted from 1775-1783 and allowed the original 13 colonies to remain independent from Great Britain.

    Poster's comment: Using the "Psycho" analogy, Britain was the first Caucasian victim to be dragged to the dental chair for the extraction of all its "upper teeth" by the "Psycho".

    (c) 1800-1899

    The War of 1812 resolved outstanding tensions between the United States and Great Britain. The two-year war ended British military posts on U.S. soil and British interference with American trade.

    Poster's comment: Finally, Britain had all its "remaining teeth" extracted by the "Psycho".

    (d) 1798-1800

    The Quasi-War (French: Quasi-guerre) was an undeclared war fought almost entirely at sea between the United States and France from 1798 to 1800, which broke out during the beginning of John Adams's presidency. After the French Monarchy was abolished in September 1792 the United States refused to continue repaying its large debt to France, which had supported it during its own War for Independence. It claimed that the debt had been owed to a previous regime. France was also outraged over the Jay Treaty and that the United States was actively trading with Britain, with whom they were at war. In response France authorized privateers to conduct attacks on American shipping, seizing numerous merchant ships, and ultimately leading the U.S. to retaliate....

    By late 1800, the United States Navy and the Royal Navy, combined with a more conciliatory diplomatic stance by the government of First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte, had reduced the activity of the French privateers and warships. The Convention of 1800, signed on 30 September, ended the Quasi-War. It affirmed the rights of Americans as neutrals upon the sea and abrogated the alliance with France of 1778. However, it failed to provide compensation for the $20,000,000 "French Spoliation Claims" of the United States. The agreement between the two nations implicitly ensured that the United States would remain neutral toward France in the wars of Napoleon and ended the "entangling" French alliance. This alliance had been viable only between 1778 and 1783.

    Poster's comment: As early as 1792, the US had already acted like a hooligan and lost its credibility following its refusal to continue repaying its large debt to France. In addition to losing the $20,000,000 "French Spoliation Claims", France also lost some "teeth" to the "Psycho".

    (e) The Mexican-American War ( 1846 to 1848 )

    After fighting the Second Seminole War in Florida, American army officers were well-trained to handle their next conflict. It began when Texas gained independence from Mexico in 1836 and culminated with the U.S. annexation of the state in 1845.

    By early 1846, the first stage was set for battle and in May, U.S. President James K. Polk (served 1845–1849) asked for a declaration of war. The battles stretched beyond the Texas borders, reaching all the way to the California coast.

    In the end, the southern border of the United States was established with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. With it came land that would soon become the states of California, Nevada, Texas, and Utah as well as portions of Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming.

    Poster’s comment: Mexico was the first Latino nation to have all its "teeth" extracted in the “Psycho” analogy. As a defeated nation, Mexico is still despised by the American Empire. This is obvious in Donald Trump's disdain for the Mexicans as he openly calls them “animals”. Just imagine the Vietnamese response if Trump's Chinese counterpart calls them "cats and dogs".

    (f) The American Civil War (1861 to 1865)

    The American Civil War divided the United States in two—the Northern States versus the Southern States. The outcome of the four year battle (1861-1865) kept the United States together as one whole nation.

    Poster's comment: Using the "Psycho" analogy, the "Psycho's brother" was not spared from the dental torture too.

    (g) The Spanish–American War

    The Spanish–American War was an armed conflict between Spain and the United States in 1898. Hostilities began in the aftermath of the internal explosion of USS Maine in Havana harbor in Cuba, leading to U.S. intervention in the Cuban War of Independence. The war led to emergence of U.S. predominance in the Caribbean region, and resulted in U.S. acquisition of Spain's Pacific possessions. That led to U.S. involvement in the Philippine Revolution and ultimately in the Philippine–American War.

    The Treaty of Paris of 1898 was a treaty signed by Spain and the United States on December 10, 1898, that ended the Spanish–American War. In the treaty, Spain relinquished all claim of sovereignty over and title to Cuba, and ceded Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines to the United States. The cession of the Philippines involved a compensation of $20 million from the United States to Spain. The Treaty of Paris came into effect on April 11, 1899, when the documents of ratification were exchanged.

    Spain cedes Puerto Rico in accordance with the accords of the Treaty of Paris of 1898.

    Poster's comment: Spain was the third Caucasian victim to have all its "teeth" extracted by the "Psycho".

    (h) The Philippine–American War (1899-1902)

    The U.S. occupation of the Philippine Islands came about as a result of military operations against the Spanish Empire during the Spanish-American war of 1898-99. The seizure of the Philippines by the United States, however, was not unplanned. American eyes had been set on the Philippines since before the outbreak of war. To many prominent Americans, establishing a colony in the Philippines was a logical extension of the nation's "manifest destiny" to play a leading role on the world stage. An expanded American presence in Asia was also thought to have significant commercial advantages for the nation, since American companies could then participate directly in large Asian markets.

    The Philippine–American War, also referred to as the Filipino–American War, the Philippine War, the Philippine Insurrection or the Tagalog Insurgency, was an armed conflict between the First Philippine Republic and the United States that lasted from February 4, 1899, to July 2, 1902. While Filipino nationalists viewed the conflict as a continuation of the struggle for independence that began in 1896 with the Philippine Revolution, the U.S. government regarded it as an insurrection. The conflict arose when the First Philippine Republic objected to the terms of the Treaty of Paris under which the United States took possession of the Philippines from Spain, ending the short Spanish–American War.

    Fighting erupted between forces of the United States and those of the Philippine Republic on February 4, 1899, in what became known as the 1899 Battle of Manila. On June 2, 1899, the First Philippine Republic officially declared war against the United States. The war officially ended on July 2, 1902, with a victory for the United States.

    For all the talk of bringing "civilization" to the Philippines, American commanders responded to the Filipino insurgency with the utmost brutality. Over the course of the next decade, and especially in the first few years of the conflict, it became commonplace for entire villages to be burned and whole populations to be imprisoned in concentration camps. No mercy was accorded to Filipino prisoner, a large number of whom were shot. This certainly was not in keeping with the spirit of "benevolent assimilation" proclaimed by President McKinley.

    The attitudes of American commanders involved in pacifying the Philippines are remarkable for both their disdain for the people they had allegedly "liberated" and their willingness to resort to the most ruthless methods in suppressing resistance.

    The overall cost in human lives of American actions in the Philippines was horrific. One scholar has concluded concerning the American occupation that "In the fifteen years that followed the defeat of the Spanish in Manila Bay in 1898, more Filipinos were killed by U.S. forces than by the Spanish in 300 years of colonization. Over 1.5 million died out of a total population of 6 million."

    The Philippines gained independence on July 4,1946, due to the signing of the Treaty of Manila with the United States, who had annexed the Philippines as a territory in 1898. While at first the U.S. intended for the Philippines to be a colonial property, conflicts in the Philippines caused the U.S. to become more inclined toward Philippine independence.

    Poster's comment: In view of the war crimes committed by the US in the war, the Philippines was the first Asian victim to have "al itsl teeth extracted without anesthesia" by the "Psycho". Meanwhile the US was forced to give up the goal of annexation of the Asian colony after “losing quite a number of teeth”.

    (i) World War I (1917)

    On April 6, 1917, the United States entered World War I by declaring war on Germany.
    Poster's comment: Germany was the fourth Caucasian victim to be dragged to the dental chair to have all its "upper teeth" extracted by the "Psycho".

    (j) The Wall Street Crash of 1929

    The worst economic crisis (so far) to happen in the United States occurred when the stock market crashed in October 1929, resulting in the Great Depression.

    Poster's comment: My "prediction" or "educated guess" is that the next economic crisis will be a "global economic holocaust" triggered by several centuries of the US-Sino rivalry.

    (k) "Central Europe campaign" in World War II

    World War II officially begins in September 1939 after Germany invades Poland. The United States didn’t enter the war until after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

    The Allied invasion of Germany started with the Western Allies crossing the Rhine River on 22 March 1945 before fanning out and overrunning all of western Germany from the Baltic in the north to the Alpine passes in the south, where they linked up with troops of the U.S. Fifth Army in Italy. Combined with the capture of Berchtesgaden, any hope of Nazi leadership continuing to wage war from a so-called National Redoubt or escape through the Alps was crushed, shortly followed by unconditional German surrender on 8 May 1945. This is known as the "Central Europe campaign" in United States military histories.

    Poster's comment: Finally Germany had all its "remaining teeth" extracted by the "Psycho".

    (l) On August 6 and August 9, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively ending World War II.

    Poster comment: Japan was the first Asian victim to have "all its teeth, finger nails, toe nails, hair, moustache extracted in the "torture chamber". In addition, "one upper limb and one lower limb" were also amputated by the "Psycho".

    For those who had seen the Japanese victims or the photos of the US nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, my analogy of the "Psycho's brutality" is comparatively “more gentle" than the actual sufferings of the Japanese. I guess that's why the Japanese call the US the "Rice Country". I am sure the Chinese impression of America as the "Beautiful Country" ("Mei Guo") will definitely change with the march of time. :)

    https://www.usa.gov/history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

    https://lasentinel.net/trump-calls-...ite-house-advisors-attempt-to-justify-it.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–American_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1898)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War

    https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war

    http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/US/U.S.Philippines.htm

    https://www.reference.com/geography/did-philippines-gain-independence-7a4c133409dc955a

    https://www.thoughtco.com/famous-wars-and-battles-4140297

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Allied_invasion_of_Germany
     
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  2. Lil Mike

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    If you're talking about "Great Power" competition, you could argue that the US wasn't a great power until the end of World War II. You could push it back further and say we've been one since the beginning of the 20th Century. Going back to 1492 seems absurd.
     
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    My great friend, don't you know that the British Empire was the greatest world power in the 18th century? Even today, no other countries have broken the British record of having built the world's largest empire. The US definitely could be qualified for the "Great Power" status when it defeated Britain and achieved independence from the British Empire in 1776. :bonk:

    P.S. Please spend more time in the library reading about "the most warlike nation in history". :angel:
     
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    I agree, and in fact that was the point of my post, which is why your rather long chronology of American history seems rather beside the point.
     
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    My great friend, don't you know that Britain, France, Spain, Germany and Japan were great powers at that time? All have colonies in various parts of the world, but the US managed to defeat them one after another in its endless war campaigns.

    P.S. As I have said earlier, please spend more of your time studying world history. :smile:
     
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    So Japan...as a "non-Caucasian" power, invalidates your OP don't you think?
     
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    My great friend, from your silly question you seem never have seen a Japanese in your life. Please make a trip to Japan. You will be surprised to find that most Japanese (in fact, most Chinese) are whiter than some so-called "Caucasians" like Latino Republican Marco Rubio. ;-)
     
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    This OP is specifically about "Caucasians," not skin color.
     
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    I'd like to take a moment, and Say Hello to our new Chinese Overlords, and Say I can't wait until the quality of Chinese food in the U.S. is improved by their Greatness.
     
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    My great friend, what is supposed to be the skin colour of a Caucasian? Black, yellow, brown, red or what? :xd:
     
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    My great friend, you sound like a typical white supremacist. Your racist comment on "the quality of Chinese food in the US" reminds me of a racist remark by a French teacher during my French-language lesson some years ago. Commenting on English food, he asked the class: "Is that food for human beings?" :smile:
     
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    So you are arguing that Japan is a Caucasian country?
     
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    Japan was a competitor to the US, both during WW2 and during the 70s and early 80s when the US was running large trade deficits with them, but the country was never big enough to really be a "great power competitor" to the US.

    I would normally have much more to say about this topic, but am not going to waste the effort in light of the off the rails OP.
     
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    The sheer expansion of Japanese Empire was immense from 1931 to 1942. I suppose you are a Japanese, and you should be proud of your country's territorial expansion.
     
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    My great friend, don't keep on asking silly questions. Go back to school to find the answer. :xd:
     
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    I think that says it all.
     
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    Yes right, my great friend. You have "said in all" in all your silly questions. :xd:
     

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