is communism acceptible?

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  1. PrometheusBound

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    The most destructive system of all is one that allows any hereditary advantages at all. This cancer must be terminated, or we will be.

    Imagine if, starting now, the sons of NFL players were guaranteed positions on their Daddies' teams, all the other positions filled by talented players who had to spend years working without reward in order to get picked. Year by year, the quality of play would get worse until nobody cared to watch football anymore. That is the untold story of the decline and fall of all civilizations. Welcome to the cliff.
     
  2. Mushroom

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    So it is acceptable if they do not hire anybody else?

    What about musicians? Actors? Authors? Athletes? Software programmers? Investors? A lot of them get filthy rich in their own right, and exploit nobody.

    Or is it simply exploitive because they are not giving their money to you?

    What "hereditary advantage"? That their parents had money? Sorry, but that is nonsense. Why should I not be able to pass along what I earn in my life to my children or grandchildren? It is what I worked for, are you saying that the state should take everything when I die?

    Well, in that case let me change my will so that when I die my house is burned to the ground, and that all my other assets are donated to the NRA. Because I woulod rather do that then see the government steal what I had worked all my life for away from my children.
     
  3. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I place property and personal rights (to homesteaded/traded land, to the fruits of your labor, to religion, to speech, etc) above what I determine to be fair. Don't get me wrong, I'll readily place standards based on what I think is fair and what's not, but only where I have the right to do so. I have no desire to make prostitution 'fair' by making it illegal, as this is the providence of those involved - its their person/property involved, not mine.

    In this way I could not advocate eliminating the freedom of individuals to the fruits of their labor by making it illegal to transfer wealth to whoever they desire - be it their children, their neighbor, whatever.
     
  4. Mayor Snorkum

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    They can say the Mayor owns nothing all they want.

    They'll die if they try to enforce it.

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    Oh, there's nothing wrong with real communists, so long as you're upwind.

    Real commies don't force others to subsidize them, so they can't afford soap.
     
  5. Mayor Snorkum

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    No.

    You are not "all educated". Nobody who claims communism is viable for any group large enough to contain strangers has the foggiest idea why communism is flatly impossible. And the Mayor isn't going to waste time explaining that inalterable fact of human nature. Instead, you read the Great Explosion by Eric Frank Russell and pay attention to the tale of Lazy Jack.
     
  6. Mayor Snorkum

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    More to the point, it's human nature to work only so much as it profits the worker. People don't work hard when the "fruits of their labor", to borrow a commie term, are stolen to give to the useless.
     
  7. mutmekep

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    Art is a monopoly so leave musicians and authors out ,
    Athletes are exploited not exploiting .
    Software programmers and in general everyone who makes money with his own labor and even the labor of equal partners is self employed so nor exploiting neither exploited.
    Private investors are a scourge and a major force of exploitation .
     
  8. Mayor Snorkum

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    Hmmmm....foolish commies say "property doesn't exist".

    Sensible capitalists say "that's my property, and I'm going to use it to create weath, for me".

    There's no middle ground, and history proves that capitalism provides the greatest good to the greatest number, while communism, which preaches the "greatest good for the greatest number", delivers the most misery to the most people.

    Throw the communist baby out with the chamberpot.
     
  9. Mayor Snorkum

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    Yeah, those evil private investors, creating telecommunications, electric distribution grids, light bulbs, airplanes, steam ships, rail roads, televisions, radios, personal computers, cell phones, eye glasses, antibiotics, microscopes, automobiles, oil refineries, power plants, textile factories, medicines, bicycles, skate boards, surfboards, in-line skates, skis, all that other sporting gear, ...

    What did the commies and other socialists invent, besides 180,000,000 corpses in the 20th century?
     
  10. Mayor Snorkum

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    Because someone else bears the burden of their defense. Because besides that, being Amish is a choice that can be declined.

    Because slavery is never a viable economic model for any industrialized society.

    These are all questions that need answered.

    Yup, you got it, in an awful lot of words. When posting to Low Information Voters, the fewer syllables, the better, and keep the sentences short, too. They won't understand or accept it anyway.
     
  11. mutmekep

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    If this was the case what are 10.500 lobbyists doing in DC? what are 20.000 of them doing in Brussels ?

    If you are to pull numbers out of your rear come up with something more impressive .
     
  12. Mayor Snorkum

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    Oh.

    You're absolutely right. Nobody ever invented the personal computer.

    Actually, those numbers are pulled out of history books, which is something you've probably never heard of.

    Let's see...without wasting time looking them up again.

    0.6 M murdered Armenians
    50 M murdered by Hitler
    60 M murdered by Stalin
    45 M murdered by Mao
    3 M murdered by Pol Pot

    That's 153,600,000 corpses produced by genuine socialists and commies right there. Some numbers might be a little high, but hell, the numbers are there for the looking up, and if you cared about your religion you'd know them already. The Mayor clearly didn't include the lesser events, you could find them, but you won't bother.
     
  13. Mayor Snorkum

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    No, it won't.

    You can't print an airplane, you won't be able to print penicillin, and the geeks won't be able to print Kelly LeBrock.
     
  14. Mayor Snorkum

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    The whole purpose of ANYONE leading any commie revolution is to "hijack" the movement and become dictator.

    That's ALWAYS the outcome, there's never been any other because the installation of totalitarianism is the only reason people promote the religion of communism.

    It's gotta be a religion, because it makes no sense.
     
  15. Mayor Snorkum

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    If by "privileges" you mean wealth, sure it can. All it takes is for the people to have the maturity to understand that what isn't theirs isn't theirs.

    If by "privileges" you mean inherited political power, you're right, the country ain't a democracy.

    Queen sang a song about this very issue. They called it "Jealousy". It's on their Jazz album.
     
  16. Mayor Snorkum

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    Oh, yeah. Tyrants didn't pre-date Athens. Right. Sophocles plays were all so pointless, weren't they? What kind of government did Troy have? Oh, yeah, they had a king. A tyrant.

    Yeah, under communism there's no more wealth, it's all squandered. So only the Masters enjoy life.
     
  17. mutmekep

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    Nonsense , all those people are trying to put their hands on people's money , so long for "private" .



    Are you home schooled ? not schooled at all ? Armenians????

    You couldn't print a gun 8 months ago , you should never be so short sighted


    Yes because there can not be any communist revolution , specially with leaders and vanguards . Communism has to come as a conscious decision a society makes in the post-capitalist era . If you are reading international news it becomes clear that people are unhappy with parliamentarism and representative systems so how about running our cities on our own? how about we apply some social justice ? how about ending the state? communism can reply to most if not all of those questions so it is a possibility that has to be explored ; dragging people with guns to show them how nice it is defeats the purpose.
     
  18. Mushroom

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    Oh fracking please. The "League Minimum" (which is salary paid by the team, excluding merchandising fees, merchandising, appearances, etc) is $490,000 a year. And the majority of players make in excess of $1 million a year, once again excluding merchandising, endorsements, etc.

    If that is being exploited, then please exploit me baby! Half a million guaranteed for half a year's work.

    And if you believe that about software programmers, then you obviously do not know how that works at all.

    And without "Private Investors", then how does any business get started? Ever?

    Yeap, greed and envy my friend. Greed and envy.
     
  19. FreshAir

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    I disagree, I think Social Security is a good example of something we want, while there are other parts we do not want, why do republicans have such a problem with Social Security for our elderly?

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  20. PrometheusBound

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    Or to Al Qaida, the local mafia, drugdealers, whomever. It doesn't matter if they destroy society, which inheritance certainly always does. They've got unlimited transfer rights, so we, who have no rights to oppose what they do to us, should let them have their way. But obviously such conceited and anti-social people must have gotten their wealth dishonestly.

    It's not about them, they're dead. It is about putting inferior people in superior positions, which I already explained about sports. The fact that you are blocked about even addressing that shows the mind control these mooching Heirheads have over society. Try to justify that aristocratization of sports, especially the part that they discourage the true heirs, the ones who belong in the jobs the Heirheads' Daddies handed out to their no-talent brats.

    Or, giving in to your loyal peasant attitude, maybe we should make sure everybody grows up loving the rich and their spawn, so people won't be bitter and we won't have any more Virginia Techs. Let's make it a rule that the prep schools in a high-school league get to start every inning with the bases loaded. Any kid who objects will be called "JEALOUS!!!" Or reason with him and say, "We can always practice triple plays harder or strike out the side, so it's our own fault if we lose all the time, you whiner!"
     
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    The Capitaliban never invent anything. The low-IQ homo erectus plutocrats humiliate inventive minds from childhood on, so the real creators will become meek weaklings and let the investors steal everything through corporate patents. Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis got a $30,000 bonus for his invention; his corporate-parasite bosses got $300,000,000 out of it.
     
  22. Mayor Snorkum

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    Yeah, let's see what happens when you try to print a turbo-fan, already bolted into place under the wing of a 777.

    That'll be fun to watch.

    If you knew anything about metallurgy (you don't, so don't bother to pretend) you'd realize that you can't "print" aircraft grade aluminum, turbine grade nickel alloys, or rivets.

    Right.

    You know the words to Kumbaya, don't you?
     
  23. Mayor Snorkum

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    We?

    Only idiots want their children to be enslaved to an unconstitutional Ponzi scheme.

    ADULTS...they plan for their future and prepare accordingly.

    CHILDREN...they have high hopes in Charles Ponzi and the Magic of Madoff. God only knows where the hell that 200,000 billion dollars is going to come from, but people Stupid enough to vote DemocRAT aren't smart enough to notice that there is no god, anyway.
     
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    Madoff and Ponzi were brothers. Social Security is a shield against more of that sort of vermin crawling up out of the sewer.
     
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    republicans amaze me, rather see the elderly on the street then have each generations care for the next set of elderly that can not support themselves

    I do not care how much 80% of America saves, after the first major medical need, you will be on your way to broke quick if not for Medicare and Social Security

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