It's simplicity itself, if you know what you're talking about. You said genocide and conquest. Once the country was established, all those lands we conquered, those were foreign affairs, at the time. Now about that new thread, go ahead, prove to us that that wasn't just some lame distraction...
Thanks, first laugh of the day. One of my history profs got her PHD at the U of Va. It was about slavery and racism. She liked to say that was why she was teaching in Maine. But that's the way things are.
It is a historical symbol and that you would say that only confirms the bias and ignorance by which people justify censorship of the Posterity of America.
Like I said, you must use a double standard, surprise surprise surprise. You want a thread on it, you post it. Both flags are American flags (not that you would know much about what that means) I just like exposing the hypocrisy and double standards on this topic but hey, some of your extreme left call the American flag a hate symbol, they burn it while chanting "stolen land". At least they are consistent. Funny you say "at that time"...is slavery extant?
Ahh, that's why you wanted to move the goalposts. I should have known. There are several obvious replies, like the Confederate flag was treason. But you know all that, and truthfully, I don't expect much, and get less. Historians have rules they play by called historiography. This isn't partisan, it's academic tradition that applies, in one form or another, to most academic disciplines. Anyway, long story short, there is a Standard Interpretation (SI). Excluding economics in history, I usually stick with the SI, you wouldn't believe the amount of work that goes into making it. Oh yeah, you got your ass kicked.
For better or worse, good or bad: "The right of conquest is a former historically legitimate right of ownership to land after immediate possession via force of arms." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right...t of conquest is,possession via force of arms. The colonists and then Americans who came here and took this country did so via a legal means that has been used throughout history. To say that act was illegitimate would mean we'd have to examine not only the United States, but a host of other countries and change the balance of power in a LOT of non-white countries. Zimbabwe, as an example, kicked out virtually all of the white people. Today Zimbabwe is 99.7 percent black. Another point is that the natives here were not civilized, so the colonists considered that bringing the civilized world here was founding a nation. As an example, the Cherokees did not have a written language until the 1820s and it was developed by Sequoyah, who had a white father. With the lack of colonization, the whites founded America in that they brought with them not only the modern sciences and technology, but language (communication) and culture. If we say the United States flag represents genocide and conquest is to deny the reality of world history AND set a double standard for the Posterity of the founders of this country and the framers of the Constitution.
I'm going to assume you've never been around the rural south. It is still extremely popular there and often seen. Many state houses have Confederate monuments and some states have only recently removed the symbol from their own state flags.
Many Christians have behaved badly. The Confederacy was created for the express purpose of preserving black chattel slavery and the first time this pattern appeared, it was part of a flag whose designer specifically said that it stood for white supremacy. Any honest person can see the difference.
If you use it without using it to celebrate slavery, then you are engaging in historical revisionism. Period. That's fine. I'd rather people fly it because they like Skynyrd than because they love slavery, but there's no mistaking what it actually stood for.
Yet Republican governor's are removing the symbol of white supremacy. The symbol of fighting to own Black people. A symbol of traitors. Fought to leave the Union. So they could continue to own Black people
I meant the South. This is a very, very old conversation, it goes back before my time, and I can remember eating dinoburgers at Bedrock High.
I'm well aware that might equals right is simply the way of the world I just like to see them squirm and spin when I apply the same standard to the US flag.
Spin away. So according to a Brit (you are one, right?) the US flag is treason as well, is it not? But hey, you limeys got your ass kicked. No matter how much pseudo babble you throw out there, to accuse one flag you must accuse the other or your double standards rob you of grasping simple logic. Pretzel "logic" then replaces it. So someone studies historical writing and that changes anything how?
International law was largely an American idea. Back then there was no international law... As weak and limited as it is, now we do have international law, and what you are saying is obsolete. This isn't denying history, it's acknowledging it. Which we didn't used to do..
Pure balderdash. Do you know why there are 50 stars in the U.S. flag? They represent something. Do you know what that is? Look it up if you are unsure. THAT is a statement, not what one dreams up in one's own head. Show me in the colours, in the stripes, and/or in the stars of the Confederate flag that represent "slavery".
Nope, I'm American. The Brits dropped that a long time ago. They also gave us an amazing amount of technology during WW2. No, that's the way the real world is. You don't like it because it contradicts your fantasy world.
I've referenced more primary Southern sources than anyone else who has ever posted on this forum. I'll bet I've read more of them than you have. I'm basing my "balderdash" opinion on what the Confederates had to say about themselves. But keep rewriting history just because it makes you sad if you want. Most people who fly that flag do.
Once the fanatics are finished off with the "racist south" as they like to portray it, they only have the United States flag and the Constitution to attack.
