Is it atheist to hate god?

Yet you continue to comment on that which you claims does not affect you. Hypocritical on your part, as displayed in the quoted post. You are not worth the effort to educate what with your preference for falsehoods and lies.

 

Dude, I never said that but I do not think you are lying. I think you are seeing things that are not there. Now run off and complain that I'm stalking you.

 

You should know since you continuously use this tactic.

 

Lies on your part do not excuse you of what you say and do.

 

Are you stalking others now? Interesting.

Correct and that truism works both ways. If you are as old as you claim to be, you should know better.

 

If you are as old as you claim to be you would realize that others can disagree with your nonsense claims and not try insults as a method of discussion.

Perhaps, in your case, age is not a sign of maturity.

 

Of course disagreement is fine with me, but obviously not you. What's the insult? You're the one who brought up stalking. You're the one who jumped onto @primate 's post to another member with a personal attack.

Another ad hominem post from you. Dude, if you're really 67, please get a grip. As for the OP, you epitomize it.

 

The tyranny I was referring to was subservience to a deity.

 

Actually, it has become ever more apparent that you have nothing in your life of value, just claims of your greatness (which are doubtful in their truth) so you troll the internet trying to the best of your limited ability to ccast insults.

Personally, I consider where the insults come from and since it is you, ignore them as the source is of zero consequence.

Try using little words so you can gain an understanding of what you type and the definitions of those words. It would certainly improve your education.

 

ROFL

Dude, if you were ignoring me, then why the long post telling me so?

 

"Im attempting to counter their dishonest claims with the notion that instead of trying to free mankind from some tyranny of the mind of loyalty to a creator, they are in fact trying to enslave the human mind to control by The State, which is controlled by man."

All Socialists are atheists, but not all atheists are socialists. The Socialists do, indeed, seek to replace religion and belief in a deity with subservience to the State.

 

Actually, not even all socialists are atheists and not all are statists.

 

Show me a socialist who is a theist and I'll show you someone who isn't really a socialist.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm
...Religion is one of the forms of spiritual oppression which everywhere weighs down heavily upon the masses of the people, over burdened by their perpetual work for others, by want and isolation. Impotence of the exploited classes in their struggle against the exploiters just as inevitably gives rise to the belief in a better life after death as impotence of the savage in his battle with nature gives rise to belief in gods, devils, miracles, and the like. Those who toil and live in want all their lives are taught by religion to be submissive and patient while here on earth, and to take comfort in the hope of a heavenly reward. But those who live by the labour of others are taught by religion to practise charity while on earth, thus offering them a very cheap way of justifying their entire existence as exploiters and selling them at a moderate price tickets to well-being in heaven. Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man....

 

Show me someone who thinks socialism and Marxism or Leninism are synonymous and I'll show you someone who doesn't understand either term. Socialism and communism predate Marx and, of course, Lenin.

 

Nice straw man argument. Who's claiming they're identical? Why the red herring from Socialism and atheism?

 

If you aren't saying they are identical, then your last post makes absolutely no sense at all. You quoted Lenin to show that theistic socialists aren't real socialists.

 

THEN TELL THOSE INTELLECTUAL COWARDS TO REMOVE THE GAY-HATRED FROM THE TEXTS OF THEIR RELIGION! "Oh no, we don't hate gays we LOVE gays - but we can't bring ourselves to love them ENOUGH to improve our Bible/Qur'an that teaches to kill them."
....if they consider that "love" then they are completely delusional!

 

We are not IN AN ENDLESS WAR, the longest war in US history, with no end in sight, against people who believe in Bigfoot/Nessie!! Our enemy just tried to blow up the New York subway this week(!)....Bigfoot/Nessie generally don't do that!

 

Obviously you didn't check out the link; it was Marxists.org and quoted an article by Lenin. Take it up with them.

 

They aren't the ones here making the claim. Socialism is the belief that the people should own the means of production. Nothing about that concept requires atheism. It predated Marx and Lenin. There have been plenty of religious socialists, including Christian socialists, throughout history. You said you could show that they aren't real socialists, but you haven't done so. All you did was quote Lenin but you can't explain why a quote from Lenin proves what you claimed to be able to show.

 

Feel free to cite your own references on the subject, but clearly socialism has evolved from just a few workers getting together to negotiate with their capitalist owners to running an entire Godless country owing allegiance to the State.

 

I'm guessing that it's in the old Testament. It cannot be removed because it is the inspired word of God. Sins were dealt with differently in the old Testament. Christ came so that would be changed. I know of no Christians who want to kill any gays or lesbians. As many whackos as there are on both sides, it would not surprise me that there are a few.

I've said before, when Christ came things changed. While homosexuality was likely not spoken of in the new Testament, stoning for things like that was forbidden. Just so you understand, it's still a sin to have homosexual sex, but there is no earthly punishment spoken of by Christ, that I know.

It sounds like you want to change God's laws and that cannot happen. Even if the words were forbidden, any punishment would remain. Those who change it would be guilty of causing others to sin, thereby losing their souls.

There is plenty more to this particular topic of gays and it would take some apologists to explain it all to you. I'm not one. Let me tell you that you would not be happy with the answers you get, unless you had a change of heart. I'm sorry about that. I have a family member whom I love, and he is gay. I worry for his soul. But, I'm not God. I can only go by what He told us. No one knows what He will think about those who do love each other and are charitable to their neighbor. Many sins are forgiven this way. I just don't know.

 

And plenty of socialists are not godless and plenty are not statists. I still disagree with them, but there is no use misrepresenting their beliefs.

Luckily, Wikipedia's articles on this subject are really well-sourced.

Socialism is the belief that the people should own the means of production. You can find out more about that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Not all socialists are statists. You can find out more about that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism
Not all socialists are atheists. You can find out more about that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_left

 

Awesome. There's a difference between watered down socialism and a Socialist state. Socialism doesn't work on the national level as a stand alone system.

 

Never said it did. All I did was point out that the whole "all socialists are atheists" thing was not correct. As far as state authoritarianism goes, we also see that from both atheists and theists.