Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I dont see a citation, I never used or implied anything to do with your quagmire.
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    It seems to me your central point in this thread (as well as in other threads, I believe) is in response to arguments made by atheists. For instance:

    There's plenty of references there to what atheists or "neoatheists" claim. Especially the last one seems to explicitly state that the line of argument is in response to neoatheist arguments, which will have been made in a specific context.

    Indeed, I don't see why anyone would find defining atheism a particularly interesting topic, except insofar that it relates to other people's arguments. Nobody is making threads about the definition of theism, so defining things just for the sake of defining things doesn't seem like a common endeavour.
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    LOL

    I havent seen any theists crazy enough to come out here claiming that theists lack belief either!
     
  4. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Is this meant as a response to me? It doesn't address any of my points, but I don't see another answer.
     
  5. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

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    I believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster and I have a church to worship him. You think there is no such thing, therefore you belong to the Apastafarian religion?
     
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    Yup, Jonsa is currently locked in paradox regarding this matter. Jonsa must completely discard one of those arguments in order to begin arguing rationally again.
     
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    You are attempting to make simultaneous claim to completely contradicting beliefs... You can't simultaneously believe that you don't know for sure, but yet believe that there is no god. It can only be one or the other. You are locked in paradox. In order to argue rationally again, you need to completely and utterly discard one of these arguments.

    Arguing a paradox is not logical... In fact, it is irrational.

    Evidence is not a proof.

    That "underlying intellectual perspective" is that they are all RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. They are all religions. Religion is simply an "initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from it". The religions you mentioned here are religions that are choosing to reject science and history.
     
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    Correct.
     
  9. edna kawabata

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    What definition of religion would make that correct?
     
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    the one he made up that doesn't exist anywhere in the English language.
     
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  11. Kokomojojo

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    Lets examine rahl logic, for its rational or irrational content

    tio which rahl said:
    to which Maquiscat said:
    to which rahl said:
    Maquiscat said:
    to which rahl said:
    to which kaz said:
    and Maquiscat said:
    and of course rahl indignantly replied:
    Of course everone else knows that atheism is in fact a religion and that neoatheists atheology lacks reason and logic as we can see where they go full on religion!
    used in that context it is the same.

    i don’t care
    i don’t care
    i don’t care


    Would you care to explain to us how i don’t care is rational within the context of reason and logic rahl? Is that supposed to convince anyone [neo]atheism is rational?
     
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  12. rahl

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    Reality remains the same. Atheism by definition not a religion. It means the lack of belief in a god or gods. It’s not a religion just like not playing baseball isn’t a sport.
     
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    then I will go along with the consensus of your fellow neoatheists that your logic and reason is irrational, thanks for contributing to the thread in a BIG way :lol:
     
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    There is no such thing as a neoatheist. Atheism will continue to remain, by definition, not a religion. It does not matter how many moronic threads you create on the exact same false premise, it will continue to remain not a religion by definition. Sorry.
     
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    Thanks rahl, you're doing great!

    Keep em coming! :rock_slayer:


    Neo-atheism

    Neo-atheism is the polemic of writers like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens who disparage and refute the Bible. Unlike their atheist predecessors, they exhibit a ferocious antagonism towards religion. Neo-atheism promulgates a zeal for evolution and Darwinism, exemplifed by Dawkins being described as Darwin's rottweiller.

    The difference between other atheists and neo-atheists is that the former rarely push their views on anyone, whereas the modern neo-atheists are essentially anti-religious activists.
    https://religion.wikia.org/wiki/Neo-atheism


    LMAO


    We can save atheism from the NeoAtheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris

    There must be another way for nonbelievers than to transform, as Dawkins and Harris have done, into toxic know-it-alls

    ‘The NeoAtheists engage with religion purely as a set of ideas, a kind of cosmic rulebook for believers’

    Why are the NeoAtheists such jerks?

    But the question remains: how did we get here?

    Dawkins and Harris are still, by far and away, the most recognisable frontmen for the New Atheist show. So how did a movement ostensibly full of progressives end up so identified with writers who sound less and less like incarnations of pure reason and more and more like your Islamophobic uncle after he chugs his sixth pint?

    The novelty of New Atheism comes from its contrast with an older atheism, associated throughout the 19th and 20th centuries with the left in general and socialism in particular. That’s why, for a certain generation of right-wingers, the epithet “commie” invariably follows “godless”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/30/we-can-save-atheism-from-the-new-atheists


    so easy, with both sides of my brain tied behind my head! LOL
     
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    Let's not and examine your rational content. What is your definition of a religion?
     
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    But one could say it is analogous to a religion, in almost all other ways, definitions not withstanding, couldn't they?
     
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    There is no such thing as a neoatheist. Atheism will continue to remain, by definition, not a religion. It does not matter how many moronic threads you create on the exact same false premise, it will continue to remain not a religion by definition. Sorry.
     
  19. Kokomojojo

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    well its a hijacked definition.
    what the lord god lil dickie dawkins did was to hijack lack of belief which was originally the agnostic position and misrepresented it by crediting it to atheists, hence the part of the the group we now call neoatheists.

    Otherwise yes definitions are determined by the content they define. Atheism is in all respects a religion, from the standpoint of its 'in context' properly acknowledged content.
     
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    One could say atheism is analogous to a small flightless bird but they'd also be wrong. :cool:

    Regardless of arguments over specific definition, atheism is a singular characteristics, just like theism. It's something a person is (and only one of countless many). Religions are sets of beliefs and practices, something a person does.
     
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    Sure, but 'only' to those incapable of reading a dictionary! :deadhorse:

    religion

    nounDefinition of religion

    1a : the state of a religious

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

    religious
    adjective
    Definition of religious

    1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate Reality or deity

    Sure lets!

    See webster above, which clearly identifies atheism as a religion.


    The claim atheism is by definition 'not' a religion is purely false, the above post proves atheism is not rational, a truly top shelf example of self deception!

    Atheism Neo or otherwise is clearly 'by definition' a religion!
     
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    An adjective is not a noun.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Thats all you got? and your issue is? LOL

    you asked for my definition I gave you websters, how much better can you have it?
     
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    it does not matter how many times you insist on being wrong. Atheism remains, by definition, not a religion. The same way not playing baseball, by definition, is not a sport.
     
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    I guess you are referring to an "acknowledge ultimate reality". You may be convinced of an ultimate reality but all atheism is saying is I don't believe in your fantastic unprovable ultimate reality. I myself am still waiting for an "acknowledged ultimate reality" that doesn't involve magical thinking, so atheism does not fit the definition.
     

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