Is our nation better off without guns?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by tbrex, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. 2ndaMANdment

    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    Beziehen Sie sich auf England Mordrate?
     
  2. Leo2

    Leo2 Well-Known Member

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    LOL, no I am not referring to the comparative crime statistics of our respective nations. :D In fact, I have relatives in Bayern, and am, in general, a great admirer of Deutschland - you do many things better than we. I was trying to find out what you meant by the phrase - "even place with no to lax control." Sorry for making a joke of it - but that was all there was to it.

    And just for the record, my own pathetic attempts to speak German (which I attempt to do when in Germany) teach me great admiration for those who converse easily in other than their mother tongue. But I need to understand what you are saying, before I can carry any conversation further. :)
     
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    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We didn't have a large military when Pearl Harbor was attacked. You seem to forget that our current, large military force is a product of the cold war. Prior to the attack on the territory of Hawaii, we had a tiny, peacetime military - actually about half the per-capita size of Australia's current active military force. We weren't a military superpower at that time - many other nations' militaries were larger and better equipped.

    Actually, the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor is one reason the standing army after WWII was so much larger than it was before the war. We didn't want something like that to happen again.
     
  4. stjames1_53

    stjames1_53 Banned

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    hard to tell the accent and keep them apart.
    here's for your friends down under, then I have a demand to make of you, sir............

    http://www.ic-wish.org/WiSH Fact sheet Firearms registration in Australia.pdf
    Firearms Registration in Australia
    There are approximately 2.6 million registered
    firearms in Australia.
    The number of unregistered firearms in
    Australia is unknown, but is estimated to range
    between 1.5 and 6 million.
    These figures suggest registration compliance
    is around 30% to 63%, meaning that between
    one and two out of every three firearms in
    Australia have never been registered.


    What or who gives you the right to put your nose in our business? UK hasn't ruled over us since the Revolutionary War, which at that time, we ran you out. We even had to remind you again. Twice then. You begging for another reminder or what?
    Are you some busy-body with nothing else to do in you spare time?
    In what manner does our ownership of anything concern you?
    Or simply put, what is your personal investment into our culture?
    If you have none, buggar off, mate...............you contribute nothing to us over here.
    You have no Rights, so you cannot argue from that stand point. You have no idea what a Right is. All you can do is define what a Right is based on your limited exposure, to which you have none.
     
  5. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    tbrex nice to have you onboard.
    If you stick around this forum long enough with its differing opinions you will find the inevitable truth. Gun control is not about controlling guns it is about controlling people.
    Some, perhaps many in favor of gun control do not realize this. Quite a few do and many in that group relish the idea. When it comes to the act of controlling mans minds I see three different types. The man who desires to be free and not controlled. The man who wishes to control others through force (there is no other way to control anything but with force) and lastly the man who wishes to be controlled by others. That last group is growing larger in this country every year. This countries problems are growing with them.
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    True words. The first one is described in the Magna Carta is a Citizen. The rest, according to that document, are subjects. They deign ro pull the rest of us down to their level of servitude.
     
  7. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is silly is not punishing the people who do violent crimes with guns, or otherwise. You want the Feds to step registration and gun tracking. Do you think the typical street thug who uses his stolen handgun to kill someone is going to care if the police find out who the orginal owner was? So what?

    If you want a better gun control law, try applying some of the same punishments for using a gun if the felon is selling narcotics, or is part of a violent street gang---the same as they would be if they were caught with an unregistered machine gun. Make these acts Federal offences, with 10 year minmum sentances with 100K fines.

    Don't blame the gun, punish the felons.
     
  8. 2ndaMANdment

    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    I meant that everywhere in the world just about has experienced a heafty drop in the murder rates. Places with lax (little, relaxed) gun control has seen dramatic drops as well. Even though places in the US with tight gun control has seen a lot higher murder rates, US as a whole has dropped heavily. People think that the situation is worse than it really is because the media is gobbling up every negetive story and skewered stat in favor of gun control. You don't ever hear stories about guns being used for good, because the government has heavy influence on guns.

    If what they say is true, if guns really do cause so much crime and death, with how fast gun owner ship has grown in the past decade, Menschen würden sterben viel schneller. Instead, it is the opposite.
     
  9. Leo2

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    You're having a laugh, aren't you? You quote an organisation entitled The International Coalition of Women in Shooting and Hunting as a statistical authority - when even that organisation is dealing in estimates. Up to six million unregistered firearms, in addition to the 2.6 million registered ones in a country with 22 million people!!! That is better than one gun for every third man woman and child in Australia - ask any Australian how accurate that estimate is likely to be.

    The answer to your opening question is very simple. My membership of this discussion board gives me the right to express an opinion on any subject which is under discussion. The raison d'etre of this, and every other, discussion board is the exchange of views - were you not aware of the function of a political forum? Well - at least you are now better informed. And save your petty insults for someone who gives the proverbial. :smile:
     
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    save it for yourself. You are no Citizen, but a rather small and petty subject who would like nothing better than to pull a Citizen down to your level. You cannot argue against or for Rights because you have zero experience with that part of politics
    Even in this forum, there are no absolute Rights for any of us. If they decide they are done with you, you get banned. That is called privilege, not a Right.
    Until it changes here in the US, I still have all my Rights, unconferred.

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    save it for yourself. You are no Citizen, but a rather small and petty subject who would like nothing better than to pull a Citizen down to your level. You cannot argue against or for Rights because you have zero experience with that part of politics
    Even in this forum, there are no absolute Rights for any of us. If they decide they are done with you, you get banned. That is called privilege, not a Right.
    Until it changes here in the US, I still have all my Rights, unconferred.
     
  11. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, I've seen the "Cops" episodes where they arrest a felon with a pistol and next month they're arresting him again for carrying an illegal firearm. One of the major tenants of the NRA going back to when I first heard of the NRA was PLEASE start convicting and give harsh sentences to criminals using guns. Those pleas still fall on deaf ears.
    Over 25 years ago I had a pistol stolen from my apartment while on vacation. The State Police didn't even want to fill out a stolen gun report. It took a week of hounding them every night after work till they said they would fill one out. I'm not sure they ever did.
    I was able to find out who did it. A boyfriend of some girl whom I've never met was given access to my apartment by the friend I had looking after my pets. He unlocked a window and came back later that night. Also found out he was an AWOL Navy guy. Tracked that maggot half way across this country and found him in a Navy brig. Neither my State Police or the Navy were the least bit interested in any investigation or charges.
    Learned a lot from that shocking (to me) episode.
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    this better? it actually gets a bit more progressive with the numbers
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
    Civilian Guns section, now scroll to the bottom where it says:

    Compare
    Estimated Number of Illicit Firearms
    Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million

    there's two sources..each almost completely back each other up. You got contrary information? If not, you're done with this argument
     

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