Is revolting against our government a viable option now?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_..._War&altQ=What_is_the_death_toll_in_civil_war
You need to study up on your history, bubb

 

The South lost because it was overpowered by a numerically greater enemy that was willing to use a vicious scorched earth policy. Much like the Mongol hordes did across Asia centuries earlier.

Philosophically, morally, politically, and legally, the Confederate States were correct. They were defending their rights and personal liberty. Slavery was LEGAL at the time and was a minor economic reason for the war, but not the main reason by any stretch of the imagination. A quarter million Confederate soldiers would have NEVER scarified their lives for slavery. They paid the ultimate price to defend the freedom and liberty of their people.

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, censored the press, prohibited free speech, imprisoned politicians, seized private property, arrested and executed civilians without due process, and many other serious violations of the Constitution and crimes against humanity.

Re-read my post and you see I was correct and should apologize. Hitler killed only 200,000 Americans. Lincoln killed 650,000, plus another million maimed and that is just soldiers. Lincoln is responsible for millions of additional civilian casualties related to combat, displacement, starvation, and disease.

Untrue, but I would expect words like "crackpot" from historical revisionists who cherry pick what they wish to remember. If you wish to live in a castle where your bloody heroes stand tall and proud, so be it. But the truth just outside the walls will never change.

Lincoln was a bloody despot and tyrant without a shred of humanity.

 

wel. I posted my stuff, and YOU'RE WRONG.................guess I own that one............

 

Not alt all. Do you think you have less freedom than an Italian, a Spaniard, a Greek, a Frenchman, a resident of any of the Scandinavian socialist countries?

 

We measure ourselves and apply the same measure to those around us.
The South really lost the war because of industry and resources. The South relied upon crops and slavery for income while the North had already moved into the age of industry giving them quite an advantage. It was like America going to war against the Native Americans. The rich and powerful against the weak and poorly developed nations.
The North had unlimited resources as compared to South. I suspect, if the South had been the ones with the advantage, they probably would have won the war instead.

 

And if pigs could fly we'd never get pork chops. thank god the South lost, slavery was ended, and our great union was preserved!!!

 

No idea what you are talking about, but obviously we are not talking about the same thing -- bubb. I am talking about deaths from the world's most murderous dictators. (see my links).

 

I think I understand now. You think I made the claim that "Lincoln 'viciously murdered and maimed 1.5 million Americans?' "

I did not. That was Californian who made that claim in post #220. I was responding to him.

 

slavery has never ended. What do you call forced compliance to taxation?

 

It's certainly not slavery. You know better than to come off with some simplistic ultra rightwing tax protester BS like that. That crap died out in the 80s. It's taxation. I favor lower taxes and more individual freedom. That's why I vote Republican. I don't favor zero taxes. Someone had to build and replace the highways and bridges and pay the Marines, and pay for the latest generaltion of stealth fighters, and the sewer and water treatment and firefighters.

Meanwhile if you want to see what single payer socialized medicine like Obama and the Democrat want would be like -- take a look at the VA. That's what it would look like, exactly. But calling taxation "slavery" only encourages the socialists and reinforces their contention that we on the right are crazy. Honestly it does.

 

You lost me at the second sentence. the resulting name calling did nothing for your case.
I am hardly some tax protestor. I pay what I owe, but that doesn't make it right. You and I know there's only two reasons anyone pays taxes.
1) They don't want the trouble it brings by fighting them.
2) They actually believe they owe the government money. For what?
anything else is based on these two reasons.

 

oh, so you want government services for free?

it takes a lot of money to manage a nation of 320 million.

 

I don't use what I don't pay for. Roads,(gas taxes) mail service (buy my own stamps), etc. I am not now, have in the past, or plan on in the future ever to avail myself of government services. Medicare? I'd rather die first than surrender my property to receive one thin (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dime from others. I pay my own way. I have in the past, and I've invested enough to carry my kids and their kids for a while.

 

We obviously agree on some things, including the need for lower taxes. But I called you no names. You are the one who said that taxation was "slavery." To me that is pretty ridiculous. I think we should ALL be paying less in taxes, but slavery? Hardly.

You want lower taxes? Don't vote for Hillary. Friends don't let friends vote for Democrats. Better yet don't let her become president because the Republican nominee isn't 'pure enough' for you. Be like Ronald Reagan and take the best choice offered, even if it is not perfect.

 

A few perfectly legitimate questions:
Do you mind paying for the Marines, the Army, Air Force and Navy? For the R&D for new weapons system that keep us far ahead of the Russians and Chinese? Do you mind paying for police and fire protection? Air traffic control? Safety certification of aircraft? Cars? Pure food and drug laws? The feds who nab con-men who prey on innocent widows and orphans? The fraudsters who cheat the rest of us through all sorts of mail, wire and security fraud schemes?? The people who keep al Qaeda from blowing you and your family to little bits? ....... I could go o on and on, but you get the picture.

I'm so glad that you are a multi-millionaire and can "pay your own way" if you or your family are unlucky enough to get a disease that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to fight. But do you really expect all 300 million plus of us to be able to do that? We are unfortunately not all multi-millionaires like you who can simply pay for the most expensive medical care forever. But none of that nasty Medicare for you -- right. I'm sure you didn't pay into Medicare. Will you turn down your Social Security checks too? Do you care about anyone at all other than yourself? Precisely when did your common sense go AWOL?

 

so much hate and so little space to form a reply that would satisfy you.
I am not my brother's keeper. I help when and where I choose. And, it is on my terms. I am no millionaire, but I have always worked and paid more than my "fair share" just to pay for R&D into why frogs croak, or why moths fly, why some trees grow faster than others, sponsor a bridge that goes nowhere, pay for generational welfare, subsidize studies into sex activities of bees, or even paid to have another person tell me what my Rights are and how they apply.
You mis-interpret my stance. I believe that everyone gets one or two fair shakes in life. Lord only knows that I have had my fair share of breaks but it is only becuase I approach life cautiously and never buy what's put to me first. I plan and execute the simplest of plans, building on other plans. I was taught at an early age not to get emotional about money because it has no feelings. Money is merely a tool and when one learns to operate it correctly, one has accomplished the toughest thing in life.
One thing, tho, do not point a gun at my head to give the moochers a free ride, then call it charity.

 

really..................
When one has no say regarding their personal property, taxes, it is slavery to the government.

 

I have lived in Germany, Switzerland, and Denmark for business and the feeling of freedom was overwhelming, even as a foreigner.

I have also traveled extensively in Scandinavia, and while they are very socialistic, that does not mean lack of freedom. Their governments are very honest and transparent and the laws enacted are done so with the willing, open-eyed, and educated consent of their citizens. THAT is true freedom.

 

Of course you did not answer my very sensible questions (which had nothing to do with moochers) because you can't. I think I know the answer to one of them though. I really don't think you care about anyone but yourself. Wow talk about hate!
Have a nice life. Bye now.

 

None of those countries is a complicated country with more than 300 million people. All of them but Germany, (until recently one of the least free spots on earth) are tiny countries -- infinitely different from the U.S.

If you don't like it here, why do you stay? We'll miss you.

 

Sad to hear you think that, especially for your ancestors who gave their lives to preserve freedom and liberty for the Confederate States. They must be turning in their graves knowing what 150 years of federal propaganda has done to one of their descendants. Very sad, indeed.

Yep, and I'm still correct. More Americans were killed or wounded by Lincoln than by all the dictators you listed. We're not talking total deaths around the world, just Americans, and that is a fact.

Roads, bridges, sewers, water treatment facilities, firefighters, police, and all the other things that support our daily lives are paid for by the states, not the federal government.

The military should be paid for by federal taxation, but there should be a CLEAR military tax that is put to a popular vote. If most Americans saw how much they truly pay, they would be shocked.

Besides, the federal government has no right to tax our income. Any money they get should be in the form of a use fee for the singular purpose it is collected for.

 

The principles of democracy and freedom are the same for 3 or 300 million people. You're actually making a very strong case for states' rights (and the Confederacy) here. The bigger a country gets, the less viable democracy is. Just look at India, the world's largest democracy with 4 times the US population.

That is why the states should take the superior role. Smaller population, localized government. They know what is best for their people, not Washington.

 

This is not a democracy. It is in fact a representative, Constitutional, Republic with a very intentional strong central government Which, incidentally took the place of the weak central government established by the Articles of Confederation which were a total failure. http://home.earthlink.net/~gfeldmeth/chart.art.html I do respect your opinions -- but they represent a, tiny fraction of American Opinion no more. God bless the American Constitution! God bless the United States of America!!

BTW, I still have lots of relatives in the South -- NONE of them favor slavery.

 

The United States, as a nation, will collapse under it's own weight in less than 100 years. I pity the world my grandchildren will have to navigate.

Having said that...I would love to be around to see how it happens.

 

what, you don't vote?