Is taxation a form of slavery?

Are you unaware of the fact that Tolstoy held a lot of anarchist views and he was no fan of government?

 

Again, you are making things up that nobody said. Lol. You should probably just leave this thread since you have no argument.

 

It could be called that but realize there different types of slavery. There is forced and contractual slavery, I would say paying taxes can be both depending on what's going on.

But government needs to be funded somehow, sadly though it seem the whole fiat money system has been so twisted up that it's hard to be sure what will happen with the debt.

It's an interesting question, but I don't currently have a clear statement to make on it so what I have stated will be all I have on the matter.

 

You liberals DO realize that the income tax was "made up" to pay for wars, and it is STILL used to pay for wars.

I'm thinking of the hippy liberals in the 60s, saying not to trust government. Now, the old liberal hippies have been brainwashed by the government. Lol. Very humorous.

 

I have been thinking the same thing, I miss the old left from the 60's and 70's so much. That is something I could be proud of, but not the modern brain washed government sucking liberals we have now. I want the anti-war hippy's back and the ones that actually questioned the safety of chemicals instead of bowing to there overlord called the government on every matter.

I wasn't there when the hippies were fighting "the man" but if I had been born back then I would have cheered them on.

This really is the result of the fact it used to be back then that most of the media and establishment was naturally right wing. Now that the media establishment is naturally promoting left wing ideas they got brain washed and they now think they won. It would be one of the most humorous things I have ever seen if it wasn't so sad.

 

I'm a generation or so out from the liberal hippy days too, but I've seen and heard about it plenty of times, and I agree with your post.

 

Yup, they've turned into what they hated so much. Lol.

 

Being libertarian I believe taxation is theft. The more I learn about this good more I'm finding I'm more of an anarcho-capitalist.

 

thing is, the world has never passed the stage of Feudalism.

Karl Marx delusions were not about Communism, but that Capitalism had already taken place.

for it isn't money that rules the world, it is good old Ruling Elites that still do.

hence taxes, fees and tolls.

 

It's always the same asinine song and dance with the deplorables.
I, me, mine. The rest of humanity can go eat **** and die.

 

Are you aware of the fact that your post was completely non-responsive? I just explained to you why the concept of slavery is distinct from the concept of taxation. You response is that Tolstoy was an anarchist.

 

No, you haven't. Your basic argument is that taxes are okay until I don't like them anymore, at which point they become slavery. Except you don't quite understand what the word slavery means, and you never attempt to reconcile your expanded understanding of the term with its common usage or even its dictionary definition.

You keep saying "Tolstoy said this" and "Tolstoy said that" as if he's some kind of ultimate authority we cannot possibly disagree with. But all you really have are a few quotes you took from wikipedia and google searches.

The onus is on you to prove that taxation is slavery. I don't have to prove that taxation is not what everyone already knows it is not.

 

How the hell is Trump an outsider??? What has he done ---in terms of signing bills or budget proposals --- while in office that has upset the establishment??? The man is a billionaire for Christ's sake!
He recently allocated more money for the War Machine. Words fail me.

 

Frankly your explanation is the major reason I do not sweat what the rich have. They cause employment as they spend. Earnings coming to the rich are placed in banks. Banks then make the funds available to the rest of us. To the rich, their amount of cash is a number on paper and kept of record by computers.

 

So, when you work for others, then take your funds and turn it over to a zillion taxing agencies, that is not slavery?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/taxation-slavery/

 

Maybe you think presidents can simply crumble the government, crumble the entire congress or perhaps the courts, but things do not operate that way.

Trump did not crawl up the ladder to be president. He has little baggage carried to DC. Those boys he encounters are experts. And they intend he not succeed. That is what is meant by outsider.

Take Hillary though..... there was a true insider

Me, I like the kind of insiders that came up the ladder via state government. I want them to first learn the job at the state level. While it is not the entire lesson, but it covers a whopping amount of learning government. Walker for me fit that bill. Hillary though an insider, is not good for the nation.

 

I don't know that the question has a straightforward answer save in the abstract. Obviously taxation freely consented to is not slavery; and ideally, every American would freely consent to any tax levied in pursuance of the letter and spirit of the Constitution. Now surely any such tax would serve at least one of the objectives stated in the Preamble and undermine none of them; but even a tax levied legitimately can go through a money laundering process by which the proceeds end up being destructive of those objectives, in which case the consent criterion is not met.

Yeah, they're every bit as confused as the guys who set it up that way in 1787.

It's actually more restrictive than you're making it out to be, because Congress is only empowered to provide for the general welfare of the United States - which means that even if the majority of Americans live in 5 states, Congress doesn't get to give every resident of those states a smart phone.

That taxation = slavery? Decades ago I read everything of his that I could get my hands on, and I don't remember that; but even if he said that, given that he was born and raised in czarist Russia, it's not worth much without some context.

So was Karl Marx.

This is an appeal to authority, which happens to be a tactic routinely employed by leftists because they have no insight.

And no, I'm not saying you're a leftist, or that you have no insight.

As J.R. Ewing put it, just give up your principles and the rest is a piece of cake.

Please, the guy rejects the idea of unalienable rights. He's a lefty, never mind what he calls himself.

This links to a page that no longer exists, on a site which contains no mention of Tolstoy.

So what have you read of his that gave you that idea?

 

One of the biggest problems in this Country is that the loudmouths have hijacked the government. There are the extreme liberals who claim they are for unity yet preach division 24/7 with their identity politics, all they do is pit the rich vs the poor, wall street vs main street, black vs white. Hillary Clinton's campaign was one of the most hypocritical campaigns in presidential history, claiming she remained positive when she ran the most negative campaign in history. Liberals have become hypocritical and the party of the minority, not all Americans. I supported Trump for all these reasons...

On the other hand, you have these conservatives that are more like anarchists, they want government abolished and consider taxes a form of slavery and violence. They get caught up on nonsense religious and philosophical concepts regarding god, natural rights and use it as an excuse to reject duties to others. They seem to advocate anarchy, people fending for themselves or a survival of the fittest society, we might as-well go back to when we were hunters and gatherers. These people reject others solely for the lifestyles they live and are even okay with people refusing service to others because it's a violation of their religions beliefs, talk about discrimination in the name of GOD.

Most people in this Country are neither lefties nor righties, they agree with democrats on some things, with republicans on other things. It seems many in this forum cannot have a debate without labeling someone a lefty or righty, i've been labelled both, depending in the thread. We need independents to take over this Country from the loudmouthed extremists on both sides.

 

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.


also see the necessary and proper and the general welfare clauses



However, there is nothing in the Constitution which mandates taxation to benefit corporate welfare recipients.

 

He's a "slave" under you silly attempted analogy.



But since you don't like that picture, here are some more of your poor "slaves".









Those poor, miserable slaves.