Is the press bullying the President?

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  1. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Oh stop. He didn't say that.
     
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    It is a very good thing that indeed he is outnumbered. If a majority of people would support this liar, it would indicate America has fallen down in collective IQ more than previously feared.
    The man is a reality show host - way out of his league playing president.
    Remember what a nasty and petty campaign he waged - "as you sow, so shall you reap".
    Our nation is worthy of pity, not the con-man.
    If he can't take it, he should quit.
     
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    Mostly insults in your post, which I'll ignore.

    But the President is "taking it" fine, much to your and the media's distress. And the point of the thread is that he's picking up a lot of votes in the process.

    You'd just better hope Mueller finds something really incriminating ... or you and the media will be eating crow and living under Republican rule, for a loooonnnng time.

    P.s. Thanks for your service. Sincerely.
     
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    Translation: "please love my trump, waah"

    Suck it up, buttercups.
     
  5. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    I'll be okay, thanks.

    Hope your and Hillary's posteriors recover eventually from your DEFEAT. (I think that's what they call it. Right?)
     
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    All this is really about is handling the 'expectations' game that will have been set out before the election. Sometimes you are doing well by stopping the hemorrhaging. Putting that aside, what the Republicans decided was that they could afford to obstruct Obama even in swing states and feel no penalty. Moderate republicans rarely needed to vote against Obama's more popular bills like minimum wage increases or progressive taxes on the wealthy, because they never got out of committee. No need to explain votes that never got taken.

    Dems lose that advantage because they don't have the votes to prevent Trumps agenda from coming out of committee, but they gain other advantages because the content of actual bills get a lot more scrutiny once everyone knows there is no real check if the GOP runs everything. Trump is not going to veto much that comes out of his own sausage factory. Those swing state or moderate republicans know they have to stop those ultra conservative bright red state ideas early in the process, as do the more conservative republicans. That is where the 'no' votes will come from that stop these bills before they get to the president's desk that the Dems can't provide.
     
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    On anything that they have reported that he didn't actually say or do, and you show us some examples, then your sympathy is understood. On everything else... not so much
     
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    Your answer highlights the problem: Mimimum wage increases were only 'popular' among the Left. Progressive taxes on the 'wealthy'(I thought we had a so-called progressive tax system, which is it?) is another thing only popular among the Left. Insofar as its possible to build a Grand Coalition, it's not possible for either party but doubly difficult for the Left.

    There exists another side of the aisle that sees things very differently from you, your goal should be to get 50-50, not 100-0.
     
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    So there you have it: it's the fault of the left, the media, Obama, Hillary, stars gays and liberals.,.. that Trump's people lied on their security clearance form, and that Trump covered up the felony.
     
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    Actually minimum wage increases tend to poll very well in general with the left base, moderate Dems and many independents. They are often very appealing in swing states as well as blue ones. That's why republicans work so hard to avoid voting on the issue.
    Some taxes in our system are more conducive to progressivity than others. The income tax is easy to structure or alter to make it more progressive, but property taxes, sales taxes, and 'sin taxes' are harder to structure so that they hit the wealthy proportionately harder.

    My goal is to win seats as soon as possible because the gerrymandering power in the incumbent House is too frightening to stall that goal off. We need them yesterday.
     
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    Oh, I don't know. Maybe I'm imagining things ....

    [Brook Baldwin/CNN] "reported": Donald Trump called all Mexicans rapists and killers” following up by calling his remarks “Anti-Mexican” and that Trump “called all immigrants killers”.


    Chris Matthews/MSNBC: "Seventeen agencies said [Russia was] colluding to help get our election—”

    “They didn’t say collusion at all," Pat Buchanan noted. And Matthews didn't dispute that his claim was false.


    Chris Matthews also said that President Trump's inaugural address was both "Hitlerian" and meant to mimic Russian President Vladimir Putin. "When he said today 'America First,' it was not just the racial - I mean, I shouldn't say racial, the Hitlerian background to it, but it was the message I kept thinking," Matthews said.




    Lawrence O’Donnell -- host of The Last Word, a weeknight program on MSNBC -- called the Republican occupant of the White House “the laziest, most ignorant president in history.”

    This last one was just an ugly opinion, not a lie necessarily. But no one who knows him disputes that Trump has always been a workaholic and sleeps very little.

    Coolidge, Eisenhower and Reagan worked much less.

    Ignorant? About the ways of Washington, no doubt.
     
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    Are you freaking kidding me? The way you all treated Obama was disgusting and uncalled for.
     
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    They're only popular because of the increase in income, which will be leveled off by any increase in sale prices(due to the increase in pay but not a single increase in productivity.) Instead of a minimum wage increase, I'm a proponent of a Living Wage. And though this is a lot more complicated: Taxes aren't a factor anymore. The US Government has received record revenues since 2013, and still yet it wants more.

    Maybe Uncle Sam is too greedy? I don't know, we used to have a very strong private sector. Maybe its time to get back to that?
     
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    Yea...the Republicans have been very good at preventing "income increases" for the middle class and poor over the last 30 years or so...and then telling us it's for our own good.

    And some morons believe that kinda crap
     
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    What? No they don't. No one gets to define themselves (in any way other than private fantasy). All such things are social negotiations.

    But if you're still unsure, go ask your barber to do surgery on your brain. He fancies himself a surgeon ... just as barbers of old actually were.
     
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    It's as though he's 14 years old, and lives in the 17thC.
     
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    Do you recall the campaign Trump ran since 2015?


    I don't just mean the 'WTF' tweets but his absolutely vicious attacks on people socially and economically well below his rank?

    After 18 months of Boorishness followed by 7 months of, well, 'WTF' moments, why does Trump deserve even a morsel of consideration?
     
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    That's interesting. I did a search for “called all immigrants killers”. and the only sites that came up were alt-right fake news sites. So I did another one for [Brooke Baldwin/CNN] “called all immigrants killers”... same result... But those sites all place “called all immigrants killers”.in quotes. Meaning that it's an exact quote. So, knowing that CNN has transcripts on all their programming, I went to their site and looked for “called all immigrants killers”... no luck.

    So maybe you can help.... I wouldn't accuse you of just pulling this from one of those fake news sites. So can you please send a link to the actual transcript?

    The 17 agencies are: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

    They didn't use the word collusion. But they appear to be describing collusion between Russia and Wikileaks.

    BTW, Chris Mathews had Pat Buchanan there. Mathews can make mistakes (if it was one), but he's not afraid to have somebody in front to correct him. When will you ever see that on the right?

    Because the phrase "America First" was used by American Nazi appeasers in the 1940s

    But this interesting. Chris Matthews tries to measure his words and corrects himself "on-the-fly". Never seen any pundit on the right measure their words.

    Wait... these are all opinions (except the first one, which you will kindly document). So you sob for Trump because some pundits expressed negative opinions of Trump?

    You should have heard what right-wing pundits said about Obama! Not only were they negative. They had absolutely no basis! Remember the "death panels"? Maybe you don't remember that Obama was prevented from giving the "welcome" message to school kids in 2009 live, because they said he might start "indoctrinating" them in sharia law. And all the fake scandals....

    I mean... if you are going to sob for Trump... this is nothing. Especially because the scandals are real, Trump's words are real, and so are his actions. And some might exaggerate. But there nothing has been made up.
     
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    I think one of the big problems here is that a number of people are confusing Op Ed and entertainment shows like Hannity and Rachel Maddow as "news". They are not.
     
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    I totally agree with your analysis.

    What is ironic about all of this is that Trump's campaign depended upon the media to attack him. They stumbled all over themselves to play the fools that they are.

    Anyone who goes back and looks at the You-Tube recordings of Trump's rallies can watch him time and again point his finger at the camera pit and proclaim how dishonest the media has been.

    And now there will be a new dimension to the Clausewitz initiative and the press is going to get hit with an abundance of resources specifically aimed at them.

    Cory Lewandowski is the implementation coordinator. He visited the White House this weekend along with a couple of other former staff members. Time to attack and consolidate with no quarter.
     
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    You realize that "attacking with no quarter" means going after Republicans and the Judges you need to pass any legislation.

    You do know that Trump wasn't elected Emperor, right? He has to have the cooperation of Congess and pass judicial review to get laws passed.

    I'm not getting the sense that Trump FanBoys understand this.
     
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    The OP actually sounds like a human being. More of us should try that.

    The press is bullying America, not only the president.
     
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    The President is bullying America. The press didn't make up the "Muslim ban", nor the "Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers" ("some may be nice people" does not mitigate the insult), they didn't tell Trump's closest associates to lie on their security clearance forms (a fellony) and then have Trump cover it up, they weren't responsible Trump impeding the investigation of Russia meddling in our elections. They didn't make up that Trump is undermining our trustworthiness with our allies......

    These are real things. You can verify them.
     
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    [There it is again. I did try to avoid ignoring you, but you do not post seriously or in good faith, answering you is a waste of time, and so we are done.]
     
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    For some reason I can't see the content of the original response to this. Sorry if it's a duplicate, but in brief, I did get the "rapists and killers" from a conservative site. Best I can do is cite a video of her falsely arguing that it is "pretty clear that Trump is calling Mexicans rapists", around 1:40: http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/06/30/mexico-pulls-out-of-miss-universe-pageant-altman-intv-nr.cnn

    Second point: I voted for Johnson, so the only sobbing I am doing is for people who can't read or maliciously mischaracterize my posts. You know the type ....

    Third point: No honest viewer of Chris Matthews could have seen that interview and come away thinking he was arguing that the agencies found that Russia had colluded with wikileaks.

    Fourth point: The Hitler comparisons in the media have been so common that I won't waste time looking for them. As even Chomsky points out, Trump, unlike Hitler, has no ideology, not political, and certainly not racial. I would add that Trump is patriotic and even nationalist, yes (sue him), but he is also isolationist. I don't think Hitler was isolationist.

    Fifth point: I don't engage with malicious people, and I think you qualify. So tell me again how I "sob for Trump." It will make you feel good to lie, and it will give you the last word.
     
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