Is the US Constitution flawed?

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can be downright hilarious.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    The US Constitution is flawed precisely and exactly to the extent that one prefers tyranny to freedom.
     
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    There is not an endless list in the Constitution of what state actors cannot do, that would be ludicrous. There is a very broad Amendment called the 10th Amendment that prohibits the federal government from exercising powers not specifically granted by the Constitution, it includes the President, it doesn't exclude the President.

    Only if does not violate legislation? How about the Constitution itself, the 10th Amendment for example? The one the President takes an Oath to preserve, protect and defend according to Article II?

    Article II Section 3 (in part): "he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"

    Article VI Paragraph 2 (in part): "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"
     
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    Says the knee bender who invents unlimited powers for his master.
     
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  5. Dayton3

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    The 10th Amendment died with the U.S. Civil War.
     
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    The Constitution itself died much earlier in 1803 (Marbury v Madison).
     
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    Wrong.
     
  8. Dayton3

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    Not officially of course. But effectively.
     
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    Yes. And let's not forget how difficult and ammendment is to pass. 2/3 2/3 then 3/4 states..

    But right now with an angry 2 party system, fat chance,

    Which is a good thing imo. It's a counterbalance against extreme views.

    A 3rd party if independents need to rise up, be heard and collect votes. Given how toxic Congress is how can there not be viable. Challengers to all these house seats?

    It blows my mind.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would agree 100%.

    With that said I don't see glaring flaws that need to be addressed right now but were certainly going to see challenges come up routinely, not for ammendment but maybe interpretation.
     
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    The last has been how the left has chosen to push their most objectionable theology.
     
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    To clarify: In that the entire Constitution describes how a government is formed, how it operates, and what it is allowed to do or prohibited from doing, it is by definition "political" in the non-derogatory sense of the term. By the same reasoning every amendment except one, the ill-fated and ill-conceived prohibition, is political.
     
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    I can't always disagree with you lol.
     
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    Why is it everyone seems to dislike where we are now but no one seems to understand how we got here. There are plenty of political parties in the US, twelve last I checked. Two always get about 90% of the vote. Two more get 9.5 % of what's left. The rest don't even operate outside the beltway. So how did we get here? Why doesn't that third if eligible voters jump on the band wagon for one of the other ten?
    Simply put most, likely the overwhelming majority, simply don't care. Oh they'll provide you all sorts of excuses, but they all boil down to the same thing they don't care enough to get involved. You can make them care short term by making voting mandatory, but it will express itself as a mass vote against whatever party enacted the legislation. No matter how much you want to you can't make people care.

    Now why do two parties out if twelve get 90%of the vote. Read their platforms. To be sure they only give lip service to most that platform. Also to be sure, almost no one ever reads them and even fewer have been involved in crafting them. But those platforms are designed to build coalitions because national elections in a country if 330 million people are always coalition affairs. One issue with quite rare exception is not going to get you there.
     
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    The only thing that is flawed is the radical left that hate the Constitution, and want to turn this country communist.
     
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    The thing is despite all the millions of Americans who say they are "independent" or want a "third party".....almost none of them actually do. They claim their independence because they think it makes them look and sound good, not because they really believe it. In reality almost all of those "independents" and "third party" advocates prefer one of the two major parties.

    Also both the major parties have shown tremendous ability to change and evolve in relatively short times. Look how fast the Democratic Party went from being the party of segregationists and bigots to being the party most African Americans vote. What is the point of voting third party if one of the two major parties can be counted on to take up your cause within ten years give or take?
     
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    In my opinion the real Independents, a negotiable term at best, don't vote at all.
     
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    Did you just concede that the people have the right to keep and bear arms, and said right is protected by the constitution?
    Why yes, yes you did,
    More important to this is the obvious corollary: Rights do not originate from the state.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
    There's nothing "selt-evident" about this in any way.
    A document written above your level of reading does not equate to a flaw in that document
     
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