Is Tulsi Gabbard a closet Republican?

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  1. Bill Carson

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    **** man ask your mail ballot president. I know who ISIS is but that doesn't take away from the FACT that the Obama/Biden regime armed, funded and supplied them in an attempt to overthrow the Democratically elected leader of Syria Bashar Al Assad. Did the same damn thing in ukraine but was successful overthrowing the LAST democratically elected President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich. ukraine hasn't been a Democracy in 9 years.
     
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    I still don't see any reason for America to care about Ukraine one way or the other. Its just throwing billions away for no reason at all.
     
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    So if she represents you and your values so well why was she thrown under the bus and smeared as a secret conservative by your party?
     
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    Putin can start a nuclear war any time he wants. We won't start it. Why would we when we can mop the floor with the Russians in a conventional war?
    Yes, you'll be happy you helped. :) :)
     
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    Perhaps Democrats eat their babies the way Republicans go after "RINOs."
     
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    Neo-isolationist? Get out of NATO?
     
  7. Bill Carson

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    The Russians would kick the **** out of us in a conventional war. An infantry of woke blue-hairs against real men? Damn you're funny. They are methodically grinding through an army bigger than all of the armies in European NATO combined....and you thinks we got a shot? :applause:

    20+ years and trillions of dollars down the toilet in Afghanistan only to get run out of the country by goat herders and we'd "mop the floor"? :laughing:
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    You assert that the Democratic party has smeared her as a secret conservative.

    Well, there are issues between Gabbard and Democrats, and although I posited the question of her being a closet conservative, I have seen no evidence of it. Perhaps a few on the left have thought of her as a darling of the right, but I would warn the right about her, she's no conservative. So, if that is your point, you'll have to substantiate that point, and until you do, I can't answer it. What I can address is the following:


    It's difficult to give a definitive answer to this question as Democrats have a variety of opinions on Tulsi Gabbard, and the reasons for their upset may vary. However, here are some possible reasons:

    1. Gabbard's foreign policy views: Gabbard has been criticized by some Democrats for her foreign policy stances, particularly her past opposition to U.S. intervention in Syria and her meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Some Democrats see her views as out of step with the party's mainstream foreign policy positions.

    2. Gabbard's controversial past: Gabbard has faced criticism for her past anti-LGBTQ+ statements (but this is tempered with her supportive statements on her website so apparently she has evolved) and associations with right-wing figures, including Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson. Some Democrats see her as a liability for the party.

    3. Gabbard's behavior during the 2020 Democratic primary: Gabbard was often critical of other Democrats during the primary, particularly Kamala Harris, and some Democrats felt that she was unfairly attacking her fellow candidates.
    I don't think your characterization that 'Democrats smeared her as a conservative' is an accurate assessment. Some have criticized, others have defended her, and Democrats are monolithic on a number of issues, but not all issues given the moderate to progressive spectrum..

    That being said, while I'm sympathetic to some of her criticisms regarding the Democratic Party, as I have criticized it, myself, similar to how Bill Maher has criticized it, but, in my view, the answer is not to abandon ship, but to repair the ship -- to work with others to put things right, to set the ship on the proper course. Because going out on the sea alone on a dinghy isn't going to win her any seats in the corridors of power, other than to be paid host on Fox, which, apparently, is a sinking vessel.

    While I don't agree with Gabbard on a few issues, I agree with her on many issues. My biggest criticism of her, given her liberal views, is her abandoning the Democratic Party. Most of her policy views are core Democratic values. In my view, she has made a mistake if she plans on ever running for the presidency again. There is no caucus, nor party machinery, for independents, and without it, you can't win, unless you are a billionaire like Ross Perot and even then, you'll be lucky to grab more than 20% of the vote, which will insure a Republican victory.
     
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  9. Patricio Da Silva

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    "An infantry of woke blue hairs"

    Tsk tsk, it's easy for blowhards to sit behind their computers and cavalierly toss of cheap shots at our fighting men and women in the armed forces, none of whom resemble your characterization and would disagree with such a characterization, but fight and die for your right to speak freely about any subject.

    First off, the Taliban are seasoned guerilla fighters having fought off Russia for 10 YEARS after Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979. This idea they are timid goat herders is a lot of crap and clearly reveals ignorance on the subject. The taliban clearly supported Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and the fight in Afghanistan was supported by both parties. That we stayed as long as we did, a valid point of contention, but it wasn't Trump who got us out of Afghanistan, he only paid lip service to do it, and it was Trump who dumped the Afghanistan government who bailed because Trump only dealt with the Taliban, even invited them to Camp David, and tied Biden's hands, and kicked the can down the road for Biden to deal with, as a coward would.

    And you overestimate the Russians, they are a tawdry mess (as revealed by intercepted radio traffic of Russian forces in Ukraine) If they were as good as you think, they'd have taken Ukraine in a few days, but here we are, they still haven't conquered the Ukraine. You also fail to grasp the importance of our supporting that country, keeping it democratic and independent of Russia, because if that country falls, then so goes the baltics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and who knows? --maybe the Czech Republic and Slovakia ( maybe rejoined as Czechoslovakia, recalling the Russian invasion of 1968 ) , maybe Poland, too.

    And while you are taking to task America for not beating the Taliban, do I have to remind you that in Russia's 10 years of trying to conquer Afghanistan (1979 -1989) they couldn't do it, either.

    No one can beat guerilla fighters who are comfortable living on goat milk, lamb meat and bread in the harsh, unfriendly mountain terrain and caves in Afghanistan.
     
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    Your 'Ukraine nazis".contention is pure crap. this is the well known 'Azov Regiment' argument. Well, it has been Debunked, point by point, how the bogus narrative started, who propagated it and how it's blown way out of proportion and why, etc etc etc here:

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/04...-honest-answers-to-the-most-common-questions/

    https://www.yahoo.com/video/zelensky-refutes-russian-propaganda-claim-131100438.html


    But for Bush bamboozling congress to approve of the war in Iraq, there would be no ISIS, for the disenfranchised baathists soldiers who supported Hussein, ignored by the new government, left with nothing to do, so they fueled ISIS, and without ISIS, all the issues issues arising therefrom start from that miscalculation, not ot mention Hussein was the guy who kept Iran in check, they fought a war, remember? .

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-saddams-former-soldiers-are-fueling-the-rise-of-isis/

    Get your facts straight.
     
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    Don't believe Wikipedia on all matters.

    In 1787 the term meant "in favor of individual rights as opposed to government" In 1787 the term had good and positive connotation.

    Today's "liberals" are on the side of Satan.
     
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    I don't see much of a difference. Suffice to say, 'liberal' today aint got much in common with classical liberalism.
     
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    You really need to come up for air. Your right wingnut media has you drowning in conspiracies.
     
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    But they loved it when the orange dotard threatened to obliterate NK.
     
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    You're really that lost, are you? @Patricio Da Silva This goes for you too. No time for either of you fellas....I've seen enough of your liberal talking points.
     
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    Why do we care about Ukraine? Spending billions protecting Ukraine's borders while our own are wide open is just ridiculous. What's in the Ukraine that is so important to America?
     
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    Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO. Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
     
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    Good point. The question I ask is how will it jeopardize our National Security if Russia controlled the territory?
     
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    It was part of the old Soviet Union for decades and no one cared.
     
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    If anything, it would help our security. We are controlling ukraine now and you see what is going on. If we put long range missiles there, then Russia would put long range missiles in Cuba. Do you want that again?

    Meanwhile, President mail ballot has let 6 million illegals waltz across the border since he's been in office. That jeopardizes our security probably about as much as a nuke in Cuba. This country won't survive with open borders. America first, not ukraine first (or the next shithole no one can finger on a map).
     
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    And before that it was Russia for almost a 1,000 years.
     
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    Is Bill Maher a closet Republican?
    Is Russell Brand a closet Republican?
    Is Glenn Greenwald a closet Republican?
    No, all (and Gabbard) are conservative. It seems the GOP (except for the neo-Nazi neocons) is more amenable to conservativism than the authoritarians in the dem party are amenable to conservativism.

    In other words, the dem party is now the party of political elites which goes against the grain of conservatives like Gabbard. In other words, for example, Gabbart used to be a dem to be against political elites and now Gabbard is a member of the GOP to be against political elites (not withstanding neocons in the GOP).
     
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    :bye:
     
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    Back in October of 2019 Hillary Clinton said that the Russians were "grooming" Tulsi gabbard. A tried and true Democrat smear tactic..... Especially at that time when so many of the true believers were still 1,100% certain about the Russia Russia b******* story.

    The daily beast, a thoroughly left-wing rag ran a story saying that Tulsi gabbard doesn't really stand for anything.

    That seems to me to indicate more than a little bit of hostility coming from the Democrat party towards her.

    And then we have her officially leaving the Democrat party and being critical of it which would be the ultimate unforgivable sin.
     
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    She is 100% not republican. This is just what "normal, NON-WOKE" democrats are like. I know you guys haven't seen that in a while, but get used to it! WOKE IS DYING and when it does we will be crapping on its grave for YEARS!
     
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