Islam is hopeless part II

Response: Words of the deluded.

By the way, you can't claim to know grammar and correct others while making flaws in grammar as well. The word "you" should be "you're" in your response. Exposed and debunked as usual.

 

Response: Another demonstration of sheer idiocy, for not a single word in the sentence "dwell around you" is synonymous to the word "peacefully", thus debunking yourself and exposing your inability to comprehend engish. For any reasonable person can see that stating that words that are not synonymous mean the same is sheer idiocy. According to your logic, "the dog is fast" means "the cat is fast", because as you say, words that are not synonymous mean the same. Any reasonable person can see the delusion. The hilarity of it is that you insist on stating otherwise, despite the fact that no dictionary on the planet agrees with you. Sorry, but lack of common sense and literacy is not proof of violence in islam, but proof of mental deficiency. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

Yes, I have a prejudice for facts and the truth.

Because your case is that Christians are more violent than Muslims. Problem with that is Christians are not trying to overthrow Muslims. We've been content to allow those uncivilized, barbaric savages to keep their barbarism going in spite of all the harm they do to women, children, non-Muslims, gays, etc. It is the Muslims who seek to overthrow non-Muslim states. That's why.
Get it ?

How so ? I don't know what you're talking about. How so what ?

So my position is childishly "ignorant" huh ? HA HA HA.. Aren't you one of those IGNORANT Islamapologist slobs who came rampaging in here with all this high & mighty Islampaopolist talk and when I confronted you with the Islamization Quiz, you fell straight on your face and flunked it with a ZERO ?
I can't keep track of who I have de-programmed with the Quiz, and who I haven't. So if you are still one of the know-nothings who has no clue of how much you don't know, just let me know, and I'll promptly give you the Quiz, so you can find out how IGNORANT you (just like all the other Islamapologist
know-nothings) are. OK ?

Well no sooner do I mention your blatant IGNORANCE and then you come right out and display it for us. LOL. So you don't even know about the 270 million huh ? Well, that's what happens when all your buddies are Islamapologists and their jihad talk is all you hear. Think they're going to talk about the 270 million ? Of course not. That's why you're lucky to have me (and the other protectionists in this forum) here to educate you, and lift you out of the oblivion that your Muslim ass-kisser pals relegate you to.

http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html

http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

 

ALL IRRELEVANT. OFF TOPIC. Dude, can't you find your way to the New Thread button ? Either stay on topic or get the hell out of here.

 

Did you forget to take these again?

 

The TOPIC is ISLAM. Not things that happened hundreds of years before Islam existed.

 

Why ? Because the TOPIC isn't Christianity or Judaism, IT IS ISLAM. Get it ? If you want to talk about another topic, you start a new thread. Goodbye.

 

Yes you do.

 

You mean things like the how the ancestors of people who became Muslims in the middle east, practiced everything you dissapprove of, before they became Muslims?

 

I want to hear what he/she has to say Protectionist.

You can't dictate what people say, or cannot say, on this thread

 

HA HA. You tried to correct me and you blew it. No, the word was NOT supposed to be "you're". There is a word missing entirely. A typing error, not grammar. Want to try again, and see if you can ascertain what the missing word was supposed to be ? HA HA. You'll probably get it wrong again. Better leave it alone, and go on to the next post. Which reminds me , Why so many posts ?
This thread should have closed long ago. Hey mods ! Are you home ?

 

FALSE ! Your inane/pathetic attempt at debunking, is hollow. The cat and dog analogy doesn't fit what I said. Not even close. Again you FAIL. LOL.

As for the dictionaries, they don't correlate to the expression you mention. You couldn't even figure that out. What's the matter boy ? You don't don't speak English so well ? (note that the word English is always capitalized). Maybe you could hire a translator. LOL.

 

Yeah ? So what if they did ? Does that somehow whitewash away the sins of what Islam was and is ? Rhetorical question. Answer: Of course not.

 

I can't, but the forum can, and they do, in the Terms of Service. Talking off topic is not acceptable. Forum's rule, not mine.

 

This is the Islam section, not the Bible. Check my respond in the "Challenge the Bible" thread.

 

Yes the word REPRIMAND was not exactly mention as usual, same as 9:13 did not said who Mohammed was talking too and who he was addressing; Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

Does this mean Mohammed was talking to himself? I guess from your interpretation that is the case. So this mean, Mohammed is waging war against himself

If Islam according to you can not be proven as a religion of war or peace then what is it that leaves only a third choice, Islam is a religion of ....with due respect I know you are of sound mind.

Wow! now you are saying the Quran did not say "Oath" the word is none existance this mean the Quran is corrupt 9:13 who broke their oaths now you know that the Quran is the word of Mohammed and his followers not of Allah.

Again, 9:13 did not say who broke their oath or treaty it could be other Muslim tribes, other clans, Chrstians, Jews, Meccans etc. who? It would seem Mohammed is generalising that is why the many ??? that the people whom Mohammed was addressing refuse to believe him.

There was no imminent danger or threat the only threat that exist was Mohammed himself.

Again you are not reading your own Quran, nothing was said that the Muslims were attack that is why so many ??? Mohammed was asking the audience, you are an English person you should be able to understand basic English grammar better than I do?

As proven the Quran is the word of Mohammed and his followers you yourself deny the REVEALED BOOK as REVEALED by Allah, you deny the people of the Book as commanded by Allah. You knew that no where in the Quran that said that the BIBLE was or is corrupt but Muslims like you kept on insisting it is corrupt in direct violation of Allah's Words, "CONSULT and CONFORM with the GOSPEL, TORAH and THE BOOK.

Sura 9:13 clearly state that Mohammed wants war not peace not diplomacy.

Sura 9:29 Mohammed put a tag price on Allah's verses in violation of Allah's command.

Sura 9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.

Mohammed saying that Allah was unhappy with Muslims entering into treaty with the polytheist. The polytheist were not the one who broke any treaty, Mohammed was the one as clearly stated in verse 9:1

By the way, the Christians and Jews are not polytheist another mistake of Mohammed that is why Quran is his words not Allah's too many errors.

Sura 9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Sura 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

For those who sign existing treaty with Mohammed once it is ended do not renew the treaty unless the polytheist submit to Islam or pay taxes if they refuse both, KILL THEM sura 9:5

Sura 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Finally; Sura 9:63 Do they not know that whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - that for him is the fire of Hell, wherein he will abide eternally? That is the great disgrace.

Mohammed is getting impatient and angry at Muslims who continue not to follow him and again in Sura 9:64 They hypocrites are apprehensive lest a surah be revealed about them, informing them of what is in their hearts. Say, "Mock [as you wish]; indeed, Allah will expose that which you fear."

Clearly, Mohammed did not want diplomacy or peace he wants WAR. And it is very unfortunate to see that up to now many Muslims are stubbornly insisting that Sura 9 is peaceful and should be adhere to by every Muslims

 

Response: Says the deluded non-muslim, which proves nothing. At least you are consistent.

 

Oh quit....what are you?...a school girl tattletail?

 

Man....and I don't care if they delete this post...but you must be a horrible person.

 

Response: In other words, instead of denouncing the idiotic claim that words that are not synonymous mean the same, you only further support the idiocy. Therefore, according to your logic "the dog is fast" means "the cat is fast" because words that are not synonymous mean the same. Any reasonable person can see the sheer idiocy of your logic, which only proves a lack of common sense on your part, not fault in islam. Debunked as usual.

 

Response: The words of the verse are the words of Allah, not Muhammad, supported by your ducking and dodging to answer the qur'an challenge and prove otherwise. Thus your point is pointless. Debunked.

Response: Islam is a reliion of peace, as proven by the Qur'an and sunnah and your inability to show otherwise. Debunked.

Response: Yet the fact that verse 9:1 clearly says that the non-muslims attacked first proves otherwise. Debunked again.

Response: Yet we can clearly see in verse 9:13 that it does state that the muslims were attacked first. Debunked as usual.

Response: And yet we still read that of every violent verse of the Qur'an that you quoted, not one states for muslims to attack first. Instead, we see verse 9:13 which states that the non-muslims attacked first and verse 8:61 which prohibits muslims to fight those who incline to peace, thus proving that the verses relate to self-defense. Thus you've done nothing but help to demonstrate that islam is a religion of peace. Thanks.

 

How can it be the words of Allah when clearly Mohammed did not obey Allah to consult and conform with the people of the Book?? I really don't understand how you can missed Allah's clear commands;

Sura 16: 43 And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not!

Sura 10:94 If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

Sura 2:136 Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Sura 3:48 And He will teach him the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel.

The Quran was not mention as part of a book or to be use as reference in all those verses revealed by Allah, Muslims will be the one who will introduce Quran as above the REVEALED BOOK of Allah. Be a real good Muslim and follow the Words of Allah not Mohammed!

Did I say Islam is a religion of not peace? No, I didn't say such thing you are the one who is claiming that Islam is not a religion of peace not me. What I have pointed out is that Sura 9 is not about self defence it is about Mohammed's insatiable and uncontrollable ambition for world conquest his refusal to settle any conflict with his neighbours diplomatically in other words he is a bad neighbour.

Where was it written in 9:1 that says non-Muslims attacked first?
Sura 9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.
Apparently you are not reading your Quran? please post a quote of your Sura 9:1, maybe my Quran is wrong?

Again you are missing the question mark "?"
9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

Mohammed is trying to sell to his audience why they must fight and one of the excuses or reason they must fight was Mohammed accuse the other side of attacking them first with a big ? And Mohammed's audience refuse to believe him. "Would you not" meaning Mohammed's audience just would not fight and Mohammed is asking them why would they not want to fight?

And then once we read all the succeeding verses Mohammed will give all kinds of reasons why they must fight and none of the reason calls for a diplomatic solution but only war solution that is why Sura 9 is an aggressive war verse nothing to do with self defence. Followers of Mohammed after he died will interpret Sura 9 as self defence to give them that excuse to continue to expand Muslim empire. Christians will exert all peaceful and diplomatic means to appease the Muslim warlords with money and territories but it will not be enough for 300 years finally Christians understood that the Muslims are not like the barbarians, Muslims are bend on exterminating Jesus Christ. in 1125 AD finally Christians united as one with the Crusade that check the Muslim blitzkrieg.

8:61 And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Meaning IF THEY, not Muslims in other words Muslims are not to be the first to incline for peace or surrender but it has to be the other side. Then if the other side incline for peace Muslims must apply Sura 9 to accept peace the other side must either submit to Islam, pay tax or continue fighting until they accept either option 1 or 2.

Sura 9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

Sura 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Allah is all knowing He knew that Mohammed and his followers wil usurp His authority by distorting and making up revelations using His name that is why Allah reveal the abrogation verses so that we will be able to abrogate all of Mohammed's false revelations.

 

Well if the school girl tattletail was reporting a rapist, a thief, or a murderer, would you condemn her for that, and call her a disparaging name ?

 

He had it coming to him, and you know it. Don't tell me you're going to get in on the pretending act too.

 

No but if she was a manipulative, lying, insincere and incapable of sustained debate, I'd definitely let her know.