You're not even responding to what I said, which is this: It is an opinion that they are the same God. It has to do with the different conceptions of God within the Abrahamic religions. My mistake. I meant to say everything that exists is not necessarily perceptible. Your comment that "anything that exists must be able to be observed" is obviously untrue. A thing can exist independent of our ability to observe/perceive it. No, it's your default position and perhaps the default position of some other people. No, you still haven't answered it. I'm not even sure you grasp the problem with what I'm asking.
which isn't an opinion. all 3 religions worship the god of Abraham. there are different conceptions within the Christian religion. It's one of many reasons religion is so silly. My mistake. I meant to say everything that exists is not necessarily perceptible. My comment is quite true. Anything existing in reality must be able to be observed. That we don't have the technology to observe something is irrelevant to that. No it's the default position of every human. If I assert to you that I have a pink unicorn I keep in my basement, your default position, absent evidence, is non belief. you are confusing you not liking the answer with me answering it. It's been answered.
Strawman again. You're not even responding to what I said. OK, now we're getting somewhere. The same applies to Christians and Muslims, which is why Goomba said what he did and Pope John Paul II wrote what he wrote. Silly to some, important to others...*shrug* You're right about technology being irrelevant which is why I didn't bother to bring it up. What's relevant is that something can exist independent of our ability to observe/perceive it. Prove it. I would reject your assertion because I know that unicorns don't exist, not because I can't perceive them. I'm inclined to consider your example, argument or whatever it is a red herring... Not at all - you haven't answered it and I know that you can't. There's nothing for me to like or dislike here.
That is one of the few true things in the entire fairy tale. Even some ancient people knew BS when they heard it.
No, it’s just a reflection of reality. Even the deniers and mockers serve a purpose, and you are fulfilling that purpose, whether you believe it or not. Ancient or modern, individuals like yourself are doing what you were essentially designed to do: disbelieve and ridicule.
When I read your thread title I read "Historical Islam". May I continue in that vein? The rebelliousness of Martin Luther, along with the invention of the printing press, gave rise to a number of disciplines that have been swept under the banner of Biblical archaeology. Only recently has what we can call Islamic archaeology begun its work. Because I will likely refer to her work often, I first need to introduce one such scholar. ok, that's a lot of verbiage (and still doesn't scratch the surface). Unfortunately Dr Crone didn't really do YouTube. Yes, I snipped like mad, you'll need to invest time @ the link. I'll be back with more to consider...promise or threat? LOL
it appears you don't know what a strawman is. All 3 religions worship the god of Abraham. I've never argued otherwise. I did another term you don't know the meaning of. My example is an analogy. You reject my assertion because I can not provide you any evidence that I have a pink unicorn. It is identical for me with your god. you are fully aware that I've answered it. You seem to think that you not liking the answer means I didn't answer it.
FALSE We cannot observe an 'electron', yet we claim it exists. neoatheology fails again. FALSE The default condition is 'no knowledge'. A new born does not hit the table announcing they are an atheist, atheism as a default condition is ludicrous on its face! The FACTS are that a newborn has no knowledge about any subject matter what so ever. evidence of absence is NOT absence of evidence, another FALSE conclusion and failure of neoatheology. Religion is not an invention, its a label that defines someones comprehensive ultimate reality. What about when neoatheists assert electrons exist? I have no interest in listening to any diatribe observation of an event. I want to see an electron, so cough it up, or it does not exist, and your science god and the neoatheist religion fails again. by its own terms!
yes, we can observe electrons. We just can't see them. this isn't a word. nope. the default position is non belief. The new born lacks a belief in a god or gods, until the concept is introduced and it makes a conscious choice to believe. which is the default position of non belief. strawman, and use of a word that doesn't exist. religion is a human invention, just like every other word. this isn't a word. But we know electrons exist. we can observe them. what interests you has no bearing on reality. We can observe electrons. science doesn't have a god and neoatheist isn't a word. And atheism by definition is not a religion, as you know.
"Allah" does not mean 'I am'. Yahweh (select your own spelling and pronunciation) is essentially verb, not noun. The two are not synonymous. The name of Jesus means 'Yahweh saves'. Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am." This statement excludes the possibility that Jesus is a prophet, as the Koran states.
FALSE: So what are you pedaling snake oil, ignorance or both? neoatheist English Etymology neo- + atheist Noun neoatheist (plural neoatheists) A member of the vocally anti-religious movement that came to prominence in the early 2000s. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neoatheist Its a word, suck it up buttercup. FALSE: So what are you pedaling snake oil, ignorance or both? atheology English a- + theology Noun atheology Antagonism to theology; the study or profession of atheism. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atheology Its a word, suck it up buttercup. You just proved it is My interests are restricted to reality, as we can see you are the one posting nonsense and buffoonery. FALSE: we can NOT observe electrons, therefore according to atheological rules it electrons do not exist. More neoatheist BS snakeoil FALSE: NO you dont, no one can see them they do not exist, you have no proof whatsoever they exist. Just because its your belief does not make it reality. FALSE: its just a label as I explained earlier. FALSE: More foolishness, you are severely confused, the word itself is not the substantial contents of the word. AGAIN: it is only the 'LABEL', that IDENTIFIES generally or particularly the description of contents used for the meaning the word. FALSE: the default condition is nothing at all, belief does not even come into the picture. FALSE PREMISE: The newborn also lacks disbelief since a newborn cant lack anything it does not know or understand and it knows nothing no knowledge what so ever. It lacks knowledge NOT belief, cant belief anything if you donjt know anything, there is nothing to believe or disbelieve. So you know you are pedaling snakeoil, it cant lack belief until the concept is introduced any more than it can belief.
there is no such thing as neoatheist. I've proven it isn't, as you are well aware. the definition of atheism precludes it from being a religion. that is reality. we of course observe electrons. we just can't see them. this is incoherent nope. non belief is the default position. if you don't believe something, you lack belief. this is extremely basic English grammar. this bit of stupidity was refuted in the other thread. atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or gods. It doesn't, and can't by definition, fail at anything.
This is why atheology fails on every level, its a house built on quicksand and sold as a fortress by snake oil salesmen. Oh so now its no longer lack of belief and you moved the goal posts to lack of belief in god or gods. If you 'dont belief something that is a conscious choice, so first you claim its no belief at all which includes newborns and now you claim its a conscious decision which all newborns are incapable of makin. Your positions are so convoluted they border on insanity. Theists have the same claim to that nonsense position. Theists lack belief in the nonexistence of God so theism is the default condition. Neoatheists always claim that anything that sinks their ship is stupid and refuted, funny how no one can ever find any functional refutation, must be just one more of those neoatheist unsolved mysteries? Everything you post on this topic is incoherent and contradictory. often times in the same sentence. FALSE: No you cant observe something you cannot see, unless of course you want to concede that you have no more evidence that theists have since that is the exact claim theists use to prove the existence of God, so which religion are you? You say that then prove it is a religion, make up your mind. First you state lack of belief is not a conscious choice so you hijack newborns then you claim lack of of belief is a conscious choice, which if you ever decide to deal in reality, you will admit that a conscious choice IS a belief. You do more to sink the neoatheists ship than everyone this board combined. Thanks for unwittingly admitting neoatheism is a religion. ah thats it, place all your bets on the dictionay and when the dictionary proves you wrong switch to full on denial. Everyone can see through that facade like crystal clear glass.
I don't know why you think making **** up is a valid argument? I've not moved anything. I have said, every single time, that atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. all of this has been addressed and refuted.
Translation: rahl hasnt and cant refute a single word of it! Once again rahl, thanks for proving that neoatheism is a hard core fundamentalist religion.
There was no need to translate anything. What I wrote was in perfectly clear English. Everything you posted has been refuted. That isn’t a word. The word you are looking for is atheism. Which is by definition, not a religion.
No you have not said atheism is lack of belief in god or gods EVERY SINGLE TIME, You even went so far out there as to claim atheism is not even a belief ffs! Like I said you move the goal posts, and pretend everything you post is by definition when I have not seen you correctly express any definition talked about in these threads. You think addressing and refuting an issue is nothing more than giving some bullshit response with complete disregard to sanity. I have not seen anyone here that agrees with any of the Nobel prize winning literacy we see spamming every thread with. Atheism: Examples and Definition | Philosophy Terms Atheism means “a belief that there is no god" 'Atheism isn’t a belief.' I will save you a spam post, we already know you think atheism 'by definition' is not a belief! (well at least until you move the goal posts to not a belief in god or gods)
I've never read where the student has criticized the teacher's research, he has criticized some of her conclusions. But that is a matter for each to investigate/determine for oneself. Seeing Islam The Way Others Saw It 1997 Please go to Chapter 1 and read the first two sentences. (I'm sorry it is not in a format that I can copy/paste.) https://books.google.com/books/abou...BAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button Are you beginning to see a pattern here? moving on...
How did Quranic Pagans Make a Living? https://www.hs.ias.edu/files/Crone_Articles/Crone_Quranic_Pagans_Livelihood.pdf It sounds dry, even minor...it is not. It is only 14 pages long; it won't take you that long to start spotting the problem.
Of course you can observe something that you can't see. "Observe" can mean "notice", not only "watch" or "see". What we see are traces left by electrons, not the electrons themselves. Just like we observe heat - a consequence of absorbing photons we can't see. The word "unicorn" is defined in dictionaries. Does that mean that unicorns exist?
I've only read three or four pages and browsed a bit through the rest (I'll read it all later, thanks for the link). You're right, didn't take long to spot the problem. Well, one problem, not sure it's the same you have in mind. One historian claims that Muhammad lived - if he was a real person at all - in Avdat, in the Negev, in what is today southern Israel: Movie script: https://www.scripts.com/script/islam:_the_untold_story_10996 The whole package:
