Isn't declaring a national emergency the same as declaring martial law?

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah I do.

    In open rural terrain with no border barriers you can come and go as you please.
     
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    No, it means the minority of traffic that comes across via illegal crossing would be better combatted by other means, like better sensors and increased patrols.
     
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    He swore to uphold the Constitution, but this action shows he has zero respect for the Constitution. The Congress specifically denied the money, and Trump is defying their ruling. The checks and balances was thrown out the window.

    Just because someone says a wall is the only way to defend the nation, does not make it true.
     
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    It also means you are incredibly easy to detect with sensors and thereby stop.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I'm not "guessing" since they catch drugs coming across the open border. They just can't catch many of them because there is no border and very few people to do so.

    You're kidding me, right?
     
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    No, I am not kidding. You specifically said there is no way of knowing how much comes in, and now all of a sudden you claim to know.

    Pick one claim and stick with it, and your posts would look a heck of a lot more credible.

    Besides, wouldn't it be horribly easy to pass bricks of heroin through the slats in the "wall"? It is very naive to think such structure will even slow them down.
     
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    Is it your contention that that they can't do both?
     
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    Really? What are they using, a crystal ball to determine this?

    The actual experts on the border say they need walls.

    Democrats said they need more walls 10 years ago.

    We already have existing walls that clearly someone thought we needed long before Trump.

    The arguments that the left is using are incredibly stupid and uninformed.
     
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    So you mean just like Obama did with DACA. Congress specifically denied DACA, yet Obama went ahead and enacted it.

    I agree that what Trump is doing is wrong, but he's not the first President to usurp too much power, and he won't be the last unless Congress does something about it. We currently are in around 30 states of national emergency, some of which date back to Bill Clinton's administration. This needs to stop.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States
     
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    You do realize that they occasionally do catch them, yeah? Do you also realize we can't know how many get through? I hope so.

    Now try the logic.
     
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    So what? Still has nothing to do with the President's statutory authority to protect our borders.
     
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    Are the conditions at the border the same as they were 10 years ago? Are the illegal immigrants and illegal crossing up or down since then?
     
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    It has everything to do with the power of the purse being Congress’s purview.
     
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    The focus should be where vast majority if drugs come in: ports of entry.

    Donald Trump's focus is in the wrong place, and it is because he has made the issue about himself, and not the problem.
     
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    Great.

    Most criminals break into a home through a door.

    So you should test your experiment by really securing the hell out of your doors, but pull the windows off your house.

    Let us know results.
     
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    And the powers Congress gave Presidents.
     
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    Which are limited by Congress’s own established parameters.
     
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    Gee I don't know let's see when the next caravan of thousands is due.

    We only know how many we catch. Not how many get in.

    Illegal trafficking of children is up thousands of percentage points, thanks to Democrats.

    But hey, it's only 400k a year that we catch. They could be anyone from anywhere whose intent is anything while having who knows what diseases, but sure. Meh.
     
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    You mean the caravan that was easily stopped by existing security?
     
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    They are what they are and the reason there have been 58 since 1976 and 31 still in effect.
     
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    This isn't new. Multiple presidents have done this with groups like Iranians and Haitians.

    Obama did it with Cubans, right before he left.
     
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    Yes. It’s the same as martial law. You’ll have to be home by 8:00pm tonight and you can’t leave until 8:00am tomorrow morning.
     
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    Almost all of them are sanctions on foreign entities and they actually have the support of Congress as opposed to blatantly violating Congress’s wishes as Trump is attempting to do.
     
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    So Trump is going to use his national emergency to block all traffic from Mexico?
     
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    Sure. If by "security" you mean "wall".
     

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