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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry, but its a fact that even those accused of crimes have rights.

    read about the law sometime.
     
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    Your talking about an organisation that glorifies the settlements as the single most important element shaping life in the West Bank. While it is a fact that it's a war crime and illegal etc. Is there any other deplorable source you can find?

    https://www.btselem.org/settlements
     
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    Sorry. A criminal can be stopped and killed in the act of invading ones property and armed resistance to it according to American norms, best norms of the world. And there is no accusation... it's a fact that they are war criminals.
     
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    Btselem STRONGLY condemns the settlements as a violation of international law and is famous for defending Palestinian rights in the Knesset and the courts. And on the streets of Israel.

    "Settlements are the single most important element shaping life in the West Bank. Their destructive impact on the human rights of Palestinians far exceeds the hundreds of thousands of dunams seized to build them."

    why did you cut out the part where they condemn the settlements, hmmm???

    think we would miss that ay?
     
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    oh so the terror thugs only attack settlers in settlements where they or their family personally owned property? prove it.

    sounds like a BS claim to me
     
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    I still see them glorifying those settlements at the expense of the Palestinians... as the SINGLE... and ... MOST important element shaping LIFE.
     
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    They can help out their buddies. You go source me that an home invader has a right to self defense and even can go murder around.
     
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    thats cause you choose to not read the damn page correctly.

    BTselem is one of Israel's major civil rights groups that condemns the settlements and defends the Palestinians.

    Their destructive impact (the settlements) on the human rights of Palestinians far exceeds the hundreds of thousands of dunams seized to build them.
     
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    in my state, if you kill an intruder who posed no physical harm to you or was retreating, YOU go to prison.

    only in THUG states can you simply kill an intruder.
     
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    The settlers are not retreating and pose physical harm to those Palestinians who want to their properties back. Even YOU personally advocate the use of deadly force against the victims of these war criminals. So much for that.
     
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    find one single court ruling or UN resolution condemning settlers as "war criminals".

    you cant
     
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    There is no condemnation there. There is not even any reference that the settlements are illegal.
     
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    you cant find one single example of someone going to a settlement where their private property used to be, and attacking a settler

    NOT ONE
     
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    The establishment of the settlements contravenes international humanitarian law (IHL), which states that an occupying power may not relocate its own citizens to the occupied territory or make permanent changes to that territory, unless these are needed for imperative military needs, in the narrow sense of the term, or undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

    The existence of settlements also leads to the violation of many human rights of Palestinians, including the rights to property, equality, an adequate standard of living and freedom of movement. In addition, the radical changes that Israel has made to the map of the West Bank preclude any real possibility of establishing an independent, viable Palestinian state in fulfilment of the right to self-determination. Although the West Bank is not part of Israel's sovereign territory, Israeli has applied most of its domestic laws to the settlements and their residents. As a result, the settlers enjoy almost all the same privileges as citizens living within Israel. Meanwhile, Palestinians continue to live under martial law and are thereby systematically deprived of their rights and denied the ability to have any real impact on policymaking with respect to the territory in which they live. In creating this reality, Israel has formed a regime in which a person’s rights depend on his or her national identity.

    https://www.btselem.org/settlements
     
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    someone accused of a crime has rights.

    if someone accuses YOU of a crime, they have a right to come to you on thr street and kill you?

    huh
     
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    As I noted. No condemnation about war crimes. Just human rights.... that at best "contravenes". Seriously! lol
     
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    There is no accusation. It's a FACT that they are illegal, that they are war criminals etc.
    They can go back to the UNSC and the ICJ to get that undone.


    Also, if some terrorist invades your property, you do not have to go to court and have these accusations even finalized into some conviction. You can just defend first and than the relatives can file a lawsuit. Not likely to win. I am still waiting for this.
     
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    that's your opinion.
     
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    FACT: tens of thousands of German civilians were moved into western Poland after Germany invaded in 1939.

    None of them were accused or tried of war crimes after the war.
     
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    That's the opinion of the UNSC / Amnesty.

    When loosing the debate... just deflect off topic


    And I am still waiting that you source that a war criminal, invading your lands have a right to defend it's invading war criminal behavior with deadly force.
     
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    100% false.

    No international organization, government or NGO, has ever declared the settlers to be "War criminals".

    thats simply your personal opinion
     
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    You cant have a war crime without war criminals. You attempts to claim a civilian can not be a war criminal failed horrible before.


    And I am still waiting that you source that a war criminal, invading your lands have a right to defend it's invading war criminal behavior with deadly force.
     
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    yes, the soldiers who illegally confiscated the land may be war criminals.
     
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    its only "your" land if you have a title or deed to it.
     

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