Israel intensifies Gaza attacks

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NO, it's HAMAS making sure that the civilians stay in harm's way.

    Destroying the tunnels and rocket launching capability of HAMAS will be very effective. Sorry.
     
  2. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I support Israel's decision 100% and I am glad that they are shaking their heads at our administration for trying to tell them to stop. As has been said since the beginning what exactly are they supposed to do? They have been terrorized for years by Hamas. It's so easy for people who live in the peaceful nation of the USA to tell them how they should go about their business. None of us here have to walk outside and see AA guns on our rooftops. Our children don't have to go to school and practice emergency evacuation drills for rocket attacks. (The little yearly bomb threat drills in our schools are nowhere near the same). We dont have to worry about this stuff. They do, each and every day.

    At some point you have no choice but to say screw this we are going to destroy you. No more talking, no more negotiations, nothing. We are not going to negotiate with you until you are on your knees this time, no more equal terms.

    And this propaganda crap that terrorists always pull is almost comical. Everybody knows what they do only idiots and sympathizers try to spin it from what it is. Al-Qaeda did it in Iraq, the Taliban does it in Afghanistan, and Hamas does it in Gaza. They PURPOSEFULLY store their weapons in schools and Mosque's. They PURPOSEFULLY use human shields. They PURPOSEFULLY shoot at you then run into a crowd of innocent people. They do it in the hopes that some idiotic news organization will show the horrible pictures of an elementary school burning to the ground and neglect to mention that it was full of Hamas ammunition. They do it so that the civilians there will gasp and cry that somebody dared bomb a holy Mosque.

    I get a huge grin on my face every time I turn on the news and see the leaders of Israel verbally giving Kerry, Obama, and everybody else in the world the middle finger and not even trying to sugar coat it anymore.

    They always end with the same statement. "What yould YOU do in our shoes?" The answer is simple, the exact same damn thing and everybody KNOWS it. The only ones who say they wouldn't are liars and those who honestly do not understand the climate of the world and still believe in their hearts that the world is a nice place.

    Israel finally said in one loud voice: Hamas IS GOING TO STOP launching rockets into our country and we are going to MAKE THEM STOP this time and we don't give a damn what the world thinks anymore.

    Good for them.
     
  3. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

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    The israeli population wont stand for it and its a guaranteed certainty the world would unite against israel of they attempt any genocide .

    Not even the israeli brass is as crazy as you .
     
  4. k995

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    Gaza is about 130 sq mi almost half is under direct israeli attack and other part get hit "by accident" .

    You tell me where those almost 2 million palestinians have to run to?

    But do keep believing that its only just hamas, not the IDF that dropping bombs and killing hundreds of civilians .


    Yes because once destroyed they cant be rebuild, you are delusional if you think this is a solution.

    "a donkey just does not fall into the same hole" is very apt here, although this is the fourth time for israel (and you) and you still havent learned .
     
  5. doombug

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    Is real need to annihilate hamas and then move on to Iran. These extremists need to be dealt with as well as those who support them.
     
  6. Hoosier8

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    They are being killed intentionally by Hamas by pleading for people to stay in their homes no matter what. That is by design for the world media.
     
  7. Professor Peabody

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    It is only a matter of time.......before the children realize how wrong their parent's were/are. The ones that survive being human shields, will remember that every time their parents launch rockets into Israel, the world as they knew it comes crashing down around them. Hopefully in time they will become a more peaceful people due to the misery and suffering their parents brought on them with aggression toward their neighbors.

    Why should anyone take War Criminals seriously except to eliminate them? What they claims is of no consequence.
     
  8. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

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    What negotiations?

    And you do realise that whatever the israelis suffer the palestinians suffer times a hundred?

    Israel that keeps taking more and more land, keeps pushing palestinians on west bank and gaza into smaller and spaces and worse of economical by blockades?

    No rule of law, hamas PLO and IDF basicly do what they want?

    Extrajudical arrrest and killings?


    ...

    And the IDF PURPOSEFULLY and fully knowing this shoots and kills civilians.

    A questions, next time you are in bank and get taken hostage do you want the police to :
    A : negotiate ?
    B : Try and shoot the hostage , through you if needed?
    C: Just blow up the entire building?
     
  9. k995

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    Actually they will just remember the terror from israel and the fact that israel killed plenty of family and friends and is keeping them dirt poor . israel has been pounding for generations on palestinians do you see any improvement?
     
  10. k995

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    BS :

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-buffer-zone-gaza-shrinks-by-40-per-cent.html

    "According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the buffer zone eats up about 44 percent of Gaza’s territory."


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    Oh kill every hamas member they deserve no less but most civilians die because israel wants results even if it means endangering/killing thousands of civilians
     
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    More propaganda. fro terrorist sympathizers.
     
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    'Staying in their homes' as opposed to going to the hospital.......the school......the Mosques.......the beach.......the streets........all places where Palestinian children have been murdered? Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on the planet......where would you have them go..........the Black Forest?
     
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    Maybe Muslims should quit trying to kill Jews, something they have doing since the beginning.
     
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    So we can finally put to rest this whole "using children as human shields" nonsense......thanks......the Jews are just good a killing the children wherever in Gaza they may be.
     
  15. Hoosier8

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    You can't put it to rest since Gaza broadcasts pleas to Palestinians to stay in their houses no matter what. They play to fools that don't understand Hamas.
     
  16. Jonsa

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    Mostly because conservatives love to ignore the count, I suppose.
     
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    Where would you have these women and children go to avoid the Jew killing machine.........the local Elk's Club?
     
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    Israel has no "charter" calling to for the destruction of any of the nations around it; HAMAS does. Get the difference?
     
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    What do you think Israel is supposed to do about the tunnels and constant rocket fire?
     
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    best place they can. UN facilities, Mosques and schools. Will that guarantee their safety?
    Of course not, but its better than staying in their homes AFTER the IDF has told them they are in a bomb zone.

    Somehow, the pro-palestinian crowd thinks that because Hamas is embedded in the population, that they should be immune from attack while they merrily go about launching rockets and attempting to infiltrate into Israel to launch terrorist attacks.

    That's is just stupid. How dumb do they think the rest of the world is?
    Apparently Israel of all nations at war is the the only one who is excoriated for killing civilians in the course of full on battle.
    Fact is, Hamas in its ideological intransigence is contributing to the death and destruction of their own people.
    In fact world reaction to the horrific images of dead palestinians, destroyed buildings and infrastructure is an important factor in their strategy.
     
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    The IDF TELLS them when to leave ahead of time. HAMAS will not allow it. Maximizing civilian casualties = Big Moneymaker for the terrorist slimes.
     
  22. Nightmare515

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    It's not nearly as cut and dry as you think. You are thinking as a civilian talking about this from a pure moral standpoint. You have to put yourself in the shoes of a military commander to understand just how not simple these scenarios are.

    For example, there is a checkpoint manned by your troops (you are a commander). A car comes speeding towards the checkpoint. The number one weapon used is some sort of IED whether buried in the ground, put in a wall, put in a vehicle, etc. Over the past few days reports have come that checkpoints are being blown up by vehicle bombs. This car is speeding towards you, is it a family who is confused? Is it a terrorist who has a family hostage with a bomb in the trunk? Is it just a terrorist with a bomb in the trunk? You don't know and you have about 10 seconds to make a decision. Do I blow up the car before it gets here? What if its civilians? What if its not? What if I don't and my soldiers die? These are my soldiers...But what if its just an old man who is confused? What do I do? We fired the warning shots, it didn't stop...what do I do?

    You blow the car up.

    This is going to sound extremely messed up to everybody who doesn't understand what really goes on in a war. At the end of the day your troops are the most important thing to you. If an IED goes off in a market and we have multiple civilians and military personnel injured guess who the medavac helicopter is coming to grab first when it lands. Everybody else can wait.

    Same thing with them using schools and Mosques as storage facilities and strongholds. Commanders have to make decisions. My guys are being bombarded by rockets from this building. Its a Mosque though...if I blow it up who knows who else is in there, plus its a religious building it'll anger the people. But my guys are in danger. Do I send in guys to clear the building? They booby trapped the last building...the other unit tried that and lost 10 guys when the booby traps went off...But who else is in there? What if they have hostages? But if I send in my guys they have to fight their way to the building, Ill lose some, it's a stronghold the enemy is holed up they have the upper hand...But what if they have civilians in there? The enemy chose to hold up there for this reason...what do I do? These are MY Soldiers.

    Blow it up.

    I don't expect you to understand that. I doubt you have ever been in such a situation. Only people who have been in war understand those types of decisions that have to be made. These are military commanders whose sole purpose is to execute the mission with the minimum amount of loss from their troops AND civilians. Sometimes it's not as easy to do that as you think. Especially when the enemy purposefully uses civilians as human shields.

    Im not saying just say screw it and start carpet bombing everybody but you also have to understand that there comes a point where commanders aren't going to put their boys in an unnecessary amount of harms way. And that is where the lines get fuzzy and where morality and war get into conflict with each other. Some will argue that these are troops and they should be the ones who die in order to ensure that no civilians die and they should be willing to kick in the door and fight tooth and nail to clear out the building, even if it means many of them will die. Military commanders don't see it that way sometimes. The lives of their troops are the most important lives that they have. And as jacked up as it sounds everyone else comes second. Morality doesn't always work when it comes to war. No I don't expect everyone to understand that or even agree with it. But that is the way it is.
     
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    Yep, that's kinda like saying the Germans used the good citizens of Dresden as 'human shields'.........and for propaganda purposes.......LOL if it weren't so pathetic
     
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    nice non-sequitar.
     
  25. Professor Peabody

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    When they continually shoot rockets at their neighbors, they NEED to be driven into the sea.
     

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