It doesn't matter where the Drone was. This is what we should be creeping out about

The USA has become the aggressor nation. The bullies.
We used to protect countries, now we strong arm them or blow them up if they don't do as we command.

Slowly our allies drift away. All we really have now are terrorist nations as our ally. Saudi Arabia and Israel.

 

Man, you are living in a fantasy world.

 

Did we shoot down an Iranian drone?

 

Now the left is all hysterical about Trump because he has not started a war yet.

 

Sorry i disagree. When you go to war you worry about your own people not theirs.
If civilians live near military targets that sucks, in fact it's horrible and why war should be avioded whenever possible.
However if my guy is up there in an f 16 and a missile battery is tracking him i want him to kill the site even if civilians are nearby.
Once we send our people into harms way
I really don't care about enemy civilian casualties. I care much more for our people.

That said the President owes it our men and women not to go to war unless it's absolutely necessary.

 

I don't know about the nukes. But yes when you go to war it's your responsibility to do so savagely in order to get the other side to surrender as fast as possible. It certainly causes a lot of horrendous pain and suffering but nothing like a prolonged conflict.
That's the difference between a conflict that costs ten of thousands of lives. Vs conflicts that cause hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

Of course they are ..........Israel and Saudi Arabia is pushing for America to Fight their war with Iran.

With Kushner in their wallet .................. Trump will go along

 

Orange man bad, got it.

 

91% of all oil China uses goes through the Strait of Hormuz.

If we pull out and Iran sinks some ships, the Chinese are screwed.

 

Just as with Japan when we sanctioned them .............put in a corner they had no choice but to Fight.

Trump can add this to his Long List of screwups

 

Iran was abiding by the terms of the agreement. Verified by everyone who signed it and military / intelligent agencies

Only Trump, Saudi's and Israel wanted to break the agreement.

We all know Trump favors Saudi's and Israel over American Interest

 

Quite right !!

 

Total BS, Iran was violating the agreement on a daily basis, the most egregious violations being refining fissionable materials greatly exceeding the amount they where restricted to and refusing IAEA access to certain sites, where it is believed Iran was refining weapons grade nuclear material in violation of the so called agreement.

So called because they never had any intention to follow any parts of any agreement that would restrict their goal of mass producing nuclear weapons.

 

It was an international agreement signed by the leaders of the various states involved.
It wasn't a payment, it was a return of Iran's own money and it didn't need any congressional approval to happen.

Your moron dear leader tore up the agreement without a back up plan other than demanding total capitulation and unilaterally imposing additional sanctions while threatening America's allies to uphold said sanctions or suffer their own.

Call it what it is: A major clustermuck that Trump in his ignorance, has made way worse while trying to portray himself as solving a major crisis by being so great. Naturally the faithful actually suck that crap up.

 

Sorry not true, in order for an agreement to be an actual agreement, all sides must abide by the agreement, which Iran failed to do, as such we had every right to pull out of it eliminating any restrictions it may have put upon the U.S. against Iran.

 

Please cite your sources

You're swimming upstream ........................

 

Nope it is your job to prove me incorrect.

 

Not at all, here's just one report detailing Iran's violations.

CRS R40094

Which in part included.

Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored.

According to GOV/2003/40, Iran failed to declare the following activities to the agency:

 The importation of natural uranium, and its subsequent transfer for further processing.

 The processing and use of the imported natural uranium, including the production and loss of nuclear material, and the production and transfer of resulting waste.

Additionally, Iran failed to

declare the facilities where nuclear material (including the waste) was received, stored, and processed;

provide in a timely manner updated design information for a research reactor located in

Tehran; as well as provide in a timely manner information on two waste storage sites.

The use of imported natural uranium hexafluoride for the testing of centrifuges, as well as the subsequent production of enriched and depleted uranium.

The importation of natural uranium metal and its subsequent transfer for use in laser enrichment experiments, including the production of enriched uranium, the loss of nuclear material during these operations, and the production and transfer of resulting waste.

The production of a variety of nuclear compounds from several different imported nuclear materials, and the production and transfer of resulting wastes.

The production of uranium targets and their irradiation in the Tehran Research Reactor, the subsequent processing of those targets (including the separation of plutonium), the production and transfer of resulting waste, and the storage of unprocessed irradiated targets.

Iran also failed to provide the agency with design information for a variety of nuclear-related facilities, according to the report. These included the following:

A centrifuge testing facility.

Two laser laboratories and locations where resulting wastes were processed.

Facilities involved in the production of a variety of nuclear compounds.

The Tehran Research Reactor (with respect to the irradiation of uranium targets), the hot cell facility where the plutonium separation took place, as well as the relevant waste handling facility.

Additionally, the report cited Iran’s “failure on many occasions to co-operate to facilitate the implementation of safeguards, through concealment” of its nuclear activities.

 

I suggest you discover the three different types of "treaties" recognized under American law. there sure as hell was something to "break" - it was America's promise made by its President in an agreement of finite duration.

I realize Trumpland doesn't think its a big deal, but the rest of the world sure as hell does. Seems A trump america is an america that cannot be trusted to meet its international obligations. Brilliant foreign policy the man doesn't understand, all the while weakinging america's diplomatic power and gutting its diplomatic infrastructure.

GREAT alright, if you're an adversary, not so if you're an ally, and exquisitely masochistic if you're a citizen..

 

It is undeniable that the 8 country deal with Iran was a step in the right direction.

You seem unaware of how treaties are formed and ratified. You should look that up before making suggestions on how that process should be changed so radically.

 

Yes it is deniable..

 

I would suggest to try to understand Iran has no intention of following any agreements they signed into, and that is extremely dangerous world wide.

 

I have to agree that there is a lot to be said for a foreign policy that says - "screw you, we'll do what we want and you better do what we tell you or else". Most of if ain't pretty. But its neanderthalic appeal seems quite popular in trumpland.

 

I have no idea. You're the only one talking about nation building. I'm not even interested.

Yeah. The same firepower that took 9 years to take over Iraq. Except in a nation that is ... probably ten times more powerful.

Your plan is to equip oil carriers with missile defense?

God!

 

The fact that Iran has undoubtedly violated Articl III safeguards, especially in reporting exactly what it is doing, is not a justification for considering the agreement a failure.

The next step in the breech of an agreement is the convening of signees to determine next steps.

It's not rational to suggest that an agreement will never be violated or that if there are violations of any kind that it means that negotiations should be abandoned.

Also, it's easier if you include a link - especially when you choose what to copy.

https://fas.org › crs › R40094PDF