It is 2015 , should governments outlaw religion?

Not many people know that in the beginning the Muslims were actually the good guys. Although of late some of them have lost their way's. When and if the rest of the world abandon religion for the stupidity it is, Muslims will soon have the realisation they are also being controlled by an Imaginary ''Mad hatter'', religion is madness.

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2015 and the burden of proof is not proven, it is like a bad theory that never advanced.

 

I'm an atheist, Equality. What do you think? Even Sam Harris will not share your view on this and he wrote extensively about the dangers of religion. You can separate church and state but you cannot ban religion. It doesn't work.

 

So you really think that is a persons right to worship a nothing abstract concept, cause wars over it, make a fortune, steal a fortune, and get away with it totally unaccountable? People are pawns to religion, a believer has no benefits or wealth. The narcissists in charge do not care if the pawns die while they sit behind the line of fire.

 

You consider it works now? religion has never worked, caused most of the problems the world as ever had, they have riches which are not needed which could be well spent elsewhere.

 

Let me guess you are younger than 30. 65 years ago folks left their houses unlocked and the keys in their cars. Stores were all closed on Sunday so folks could go to church. Leave your house unlocked or the keys in your car today and see what happens.

 

Dude, read my posts and respond to what I DID say, not what you IMAGINED I said. I said "You can separate church and state but you cannot ban religion. It doesn't work". How do you mistake that for "Religion works". ???

 

Wait - I misread your post. You and I agree that religion blows.

 

So obviously society and governments are failing and have failed in every aspect of the world. Inequality causes crime, you have such a big problem in America because of the inequality. Homeless treated like rats, poor treated like scum, and you wonder why you have so much crime and gangs , they want what the rich have got, the want equality.

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Oh yea it sucks big time and manipulates the whole world by an abstract creation that is not even a real thing.

 

I have found more energy and emotion during a High Flying Birds concert than with any faith. I don't see how an adult, thinking, person can really find the traditional religions logical in any way.

 

I agree. In fact, like prohibition, when you deny the masses their favorite drug (religion), they only want it more. It's best to let religion become the drug of weak who are becoming socially and politically irrelevant as the days go by.

 

That is correct, religion has no premise for argument, religion is completely illogical , how can any adult perceive an abstract concept to be real. It is a lunacy .

 

I hear your point, let it die out naturally, but will it truly die out? and why does it need wealth?

 

Who needs to go back 65 years ? I remember growing up in the mid 80's in Kansas and people would leave their house and car doors unlocked. I was born in 1979 so maybe my memories of the 80's are viewed through protected eyes, but things did seem simpler back then.

 

Might be easier to swallow that pill if atheism had a history of producing anything of value - when popular faces of "modern atheism" include obese man-children like "The Amazing Atheist" and bad internet memes versus say the artwork of Michelangelo, it doesn't make a great case for trading religious culture for atheism. Even if it's a drug, it'd be like trading pot for PCP.

Even the prominent atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens haven't done anything noteworthy or commendable beyond writing their books preaching atheism. (And let's not forget Marquis De Sade either).

From what I can see, "modern atheism" isn't anything marketing than crass consumerism as a replacement for "religion" - it's more of a consumerist, nihilist movement than anything else

 

Eventually, religions like Christianity will become as Zeus is today; viewed a myth. There will always be pockets of zealots, but in terms of political and social influence, I feel the religious are on their way out.

 

It depends on how you look at. The advancements of the last 150 years when it comes to science, medicine, and technology have had little to do with religion. That certain inventors or scientists may have been religious doesn't make religion a good thing, or validate it. Look at Jobs who was agnostic - he changed the world. Or Gates who was never with any specific faith. There is no evidence Christianity or Judaism has had any impact on our intellectual and technological growth in the past century.

 

They'll just be replaced by another if that happens. That's what the French Revolutionaries did.

There's a negative correlation between capitalism/consumerism and religion - since America's become so ultra-capitalist and consumerist it's also become more secular and less religious and philosophical.

But if you think it's a "good" thing that young people are more concerned with their "Facebook" likes or the latest "World Star Hip Hop" videos than anything philosophical then I have hard time believing that.

 

I think the only reasonable and responsible thing to do is to minimise the damage that religion causes. It can't realistically or reasonably be outlawed. As for the wealth amassed by religious organisations, well, we might want to look at taxing it. If our personal incomes can be taxed, then why shouldn't churches? But really, I'm for less taxation and government intervention, not more, so again I'd have to say no to it in the end.

 

I see it differently , being an atheism does not mean totally not believing in something, now if religion said there may be a higher form of life out their , somewhere in space that created us by biological engineering, that maybe a plausible story. A ''god'' could certainly be expressed as a scientist with remarkable ''magic'' or even a doctor who brings someone back from the dead. If we actually faced up to reality, it could be plausible that we live inside a nuclear reactor, size is relative and space is scaled by the earth's volume etc. In science they try to mimic spacial vacuums to create plasma, the sun is plasma , coincidence ? or are we mimicking on Earth that which we are within?
But a supernatural entity that created everything from an abstract creation in books is not logical plausible or evident.

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They teach it in schools as if fact.

 

Not really. Religions are very difficult to create or sustain these days. The last big "faith" in that regard is scientology which came about well before globalization and the internet. Today, LR Hubbard would have 4,000 views on a YouTube page called "Zenu put Thetans in you" and he'd have over 80% thumbs down.

Face it, religions are very difficult to create anew these days. Information and knowledge is religion's kyroptonite.

 

Sure, "religion" may not have invented all these things - but saying that "atheism" did it just because they "were secular" inventions doesn't cut it either since neither are mutually inclusive or exclusive.

Even disregarding "atheism" itself in the basic sense - just take a look at the New Atheist movement - as much as it's anti-religion it's not "for anything" much anything else of value - and when it says it's for "science" what it really means is left-wing social justice politics.

 

They want equality? Put down the bottle and the bong, get an education and get busy. Unfortunately the "equality" crowd want all the benefits without any of the "work" it takes to get it. Do NOT ask me to feel sorry for them. If they want what the rich have, they need to get off their lazy asses and go work for it.

 

Atheists have been the most oppressed group in history when it comes to religious authoritarianism. That your feathers are getting rattled because the atheists are not putting up with religious nonsense anymore isn't my problem.

 

Even then all that'll happen is that quasi-religions will arise which don't involve a "God" but claim to be based on (selective) "science" or "evidence".

This is what you already see within the New Atheist movements which embrace radical feminism, Black Lives Matter, and other far-left, social justice issues while claiming that "science" backs them (or on the other side of the coin, you have groups embracing views scientific racism etc).

Even if religion magically vanished I predict in a few decades you'd have wars between far-leftists and far-rightists over which one has the correct interpretation of "science" - it'd be like the Protestants and the Catholics all over again (with "God" replaced with "science", but otherwise nearly the same de facto). The fact that people kill each other for being fans of the wrong sports teams I think is proof of this - people don't need "religion" if they just want an excuse to kill each other.

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People who've rejected the dominant faith of their nation, tribe, etc have been persecuted throughout history - the fact that they were "atheist" wasn't important, just the fact that they went against the religious belief of the majority (whether protestants being persecuted by Catholics, or religious people being persecuted by Stalin). The fact that the majority of these regimes were religious is just a coincidence.

 

It is funny that you have no idea about life and how the world ticks, Did you never consider why things work the way they do, all these bums as you would call them and poor people are the people who use the shops , if these people were not there to use shops, the shop keeper would have to close his shop and be the same place the ''bum'' is. How many jobs do you think there is in the world compared to people? do you think there is enough jobs for everyone? do you think it is equality for some fat lazy slob of a boss who does 20 hrs a week and earns e.g 1k is an equality when the poor payed 60 hour a week waitress or likes are working their ass off while the organ grinder pays them peanuts?
Do you think it politically correct to advertise rich lifestyle, narcissistic rubbing it into the poor's faces? and you expect no hate in return.
A homeless man treads through the snow past a restaurant, he looks in to see a lobster and caviare dinner, he continues past to find his dinner in a bin, then on his return journey he stops and gazes into the restaurant, to see a pet cat eating the lobster and caviare,

Oh yes you have equality sorted don't you.