Italy rejects Moscow’s accusation of ‘anti-Russian hysteria’ over sanctions

ah yes...you'd know....being the expert on the dissemination crapola and

 

The typical right out of Putin's propaganda ass trash.

 

This has been investigated by several, international groups, and found to be an empty accusation. See below. What few, credible offenses by Ukraine, were found, I highlighted in red; but don't expect to see anything that could be called a "genocide."

 

I never doubt what the Russians say, because I've noticed that they are not prone to stupidities and idle threats. This is from a Greek sight:

"Kinzhal air missile systems with hypersonic ballistic missiles destroyed a large fuel storage site of the Ukrainian armed forces near the settlement of Kostyantynivka in the Mykolaiv region," the Russian Defence Ministry said.

The strike comes just a day after Moscow announced it was using Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles to destroy an underground depot of missiles and ammunition for aircraft in western Ukraine.​

I never lie and you damn well know it. But then again with an avatar like Caligula, what's one to expect. I gather from what you write, that you're a follower of the Satanist Saul Alinsky like Hillary and Obama?



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My name is Saul and chaos my game,

to talk of fame and villainous gain,​

by terror, lies and gross deceits,

and of this world's destructive feats.​

And how to spread them far and wide,

through corrupt souls and satanic lies.

- Jeannette​

 

Wrong. You have lied in the past and you're lying now by claiming that you never lie. Trying to make an "argument" by attacking a user's name, someone is pathetically desparate it seems. Moscow's propaganda trash doesn't work.

 

No. It was a massively ignorant blunder that left many of our young people dead, shattered, wounded, dismembered, struggling with PTSD and if Biden is correct, even various forms of life destroying cancers. Our Congress and Executive Branch showed a complete ignorance of the dynamics between the Sunnis/Kurds/Shia, even though the Bush 41 Administration had made the same assessment and determined that our national interests were better served by leaving Saddam in power. Weakening Iraq vis a vis Iran was also a reversal of the Reagan Administration. I've watched this nation get whipped to war a number of times and in my experience only only in Gulf War I have the claims of what we were told we could accomplish through military action proved to be even remotely true.

Before my time.

I could give less of a damn what they think, I am interested in the opinion of the poster I directed my question to.

 

We always knew that the end of the Cold War, which had pressed various disparate groups into either the NATO or Warsaw Camps would release long simmering, even centuries old struggles for self-determination. If securing their self determination is the goal, then once secured perhaps the People of Donbass should hold a referendum on whether they want to remain in Ukraine, or join Russia, or become a seperate Nation State.

 

There was no bombing of Donbass by Ukrainian Military? Interesting. Russia wants to kill the president of Ukraine and bombards Holocaust memorial? This is for sure a fairy tale, fake news.

 

It's the photo they use as an avatar....all sweet and mumsy....I mean you look at the avatar and think ah how cutsy and twee...then you read the posts and a sort of cognitive dissonance smacks you in the face like a slap from a wet haddock!!!
......how can someone's dear old mum be so full of crap!!

I bet they blame it on the Greek sites....I mean ouzo tends to fry the brains!!!

@Jeannette....lay off the ouzo dear...I SAY LAY OFF THE OUZO.....

sorry I have to shout as I'm on their "ignore list".....no idea why....

 

Nein, du täuscht dich leider. Firstly, I said there's no genocide, I didn't say 'there's no bombing'. This is a big difference and you obviosly misunderstood this. You might want to look up the international definition of the term genocide. Secondly, several Russian rockets exploded in immediate proximity of the Babyn Jar memorial. And thirdly you really want to tell me that you haven't heard of Russia's plans to decapitate the Ukrainian government including taking out Zelenskyy, even the Kremlin parrots on this forum have mentioned that. Whether he really has already escaped three assassinations or not nobody knows.

 

Only Putin sees so many Nazis everywhere. He has to suffer of an obsession.

 

It's years that I know they have got those weapons. I don't care about what someone else has said here or elsewhere.
What's interesting is the possibility to be able to observe these hypersonic missiles. But we cannot know how the used missile has been "observed" or not.

 

I'm trying to point out to you (you appear to acknowledge in your reply to me) that what's honorable and virtuous is subjective and in the eye of the beholder...

Side note: Kinda like it's subjective who can be fascist and who can't be fascist...Well, I know what constitutes fascism and what doesn't constitute fascism but most people don't seem to know or are misinformed...What constitutes fascism, you ask??..High amounts of authoritarianism. Whether one likes capitalism (righty) or dislikes capitalism (lefty) has nothing to do with fascism.

 

If that's the case you are arguing that there is no real honor and virtue, which means, per you, that Russia's actions are neither. If you live in a world where nothing is just or unjust, then it would seem that it all comes down to the application of force. If Russia prevails in a city and then commits mass rape of the conquered, do you have a problem with that? Why or why not?

Fake News. Fascism is a form of Authoritarianism, therefore, a society dedicated to securing the rights of the people and prohibiting the government from unjustly violating them cannot be fascist.

 

It is pretty pathetic that people whose only purpose is to parrot Russian disinformation are allowed to continue spreading propaganda here.

 

As far as the honor and virtue portion of your hypothesis, Russia has its own version of honor and virtue and Ukraine has its own version of honor and virtue. I could think that both countries could be right and/or wrong about their interpretations of what's right and wrong.

 

Yes, fascist if, in the process of securing the rights of some individuals, you're taking the rights of other individuals.

 

Not pathetic at all. What is pathetic is those who claim to be for freedom and liberty .. wanting to disallow freedom and liberty .. liberties such as free speech in this case.

Believe in freedom of speech is not belief "only in speech you agree with" mate .. everyone believes in that .. If you don't believe in freedom for speech that you disagree with .. then you don't believe in freedom of speech. Salman Rushdie

 

Tell lies is not expressing an opinion.

Ignorance of what free speech is will be the death of the 1st amendment.

 

Clearly it's the Aggressor that has the burden of proof. The right to defend against the aggressor's violent attack is a universally recognized right.

Are you claiming that Russia has morally justified it's violent assault on Ukraine?

 

Fake news, on the net you are not securing individual rights if you are violating as many as you are securing.

 

Honor and virtue ...
Not a good base to start a discussion about an ongoing war: think to Machiavelli ... honor and virtues are suitable for TV medias to gain audience, not for armies to win wars. But the same TV medias hope that armies forget about honor and virtues to have some "tasteful" news about massacres of civilians.

It's the odd context of war news.

Personally I tend to judge motivations. Which are the real Russian motivations to invade Ukraine? To set Donbas free? Nope. They had the possibility to invade only Donbas to do that. To "denazify" [or in any other way you write it!] Ukraine?
Nope. Or they would have first of all started an intelligence operation [without military actions] to get the support of Jews and anti-nazi activists around Ukraine. Russians didn't do this.
A neutral Ukraine? Why to destroy a country if you want it to be neutral? It's evident that you want it to be a satellite of yours.

Russians are selling their propaganda as usual. Nothing else.

 

Donestk and Lugansk did hold a referendum to remain with Ukraine but with special rights in 2014 - so Poroshenko started bombing them. After the war they declared themselves independent Republics and recently Russia recognized them The problem is that much of Donetsk and Lugansk was still under Ukraine, but now they're retaken them.

In the meantime Kherson will soon be holding a vote for independence from Ukraine, so the longer Zalensky hold's out, the more of Ukraine he will lose.

Nicolaiv which was the Russia shipbuilding city has been taken, and the battle of Mariupol should be over in a week. The battle for Odessa started a few days ago, and eventually Kharkov will fall. After that Kiev. Right now the Russians have them surrounded so they can't get supplies.

 

Do you think Kiev was morally justified in over throwing a legally elected president: eliminating anyone who represented the South and East of Ukraine, and carrying on a war of ethnic cleansing in order to change the demographics so they could remain in power?

If Israel existed in WWII, do you think they would have had the moral right to stop the genocide of Jews by invading Germany?

 

Oh, and here I thought Patrick Lancaster was an American? Thanks for setting us all straight.

Blah, blah, blah!​

You will know what I am
in every which way
by the lies I write and what I say

Yet fools like me will never see,
that whenever I do it,
the blight's on me. - Jeannette​