It's high-time that we doubled the National Minimum-Wage in America!

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  1. Kode

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    Because it is simplistic.
     
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    Who gets the money, the government for gold plated faucets and trips to Fiji? I will never get why any lefty supports the minimum wage law anyways, it was racist from the start across the world.


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  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so?

    Obama was fighting a Great Recession. Had he done nothing, you'd be complaining as well ...
     
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    So? All Obama did was copy Bush Jr, from tarp to making over 80% bush Jr tax cuts perment, he fought fracking, then tried to take the credit, he fought Boeing building a plant in SC then tried to take the credit, he fought the sequester and then tried to take the credit.


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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because it is unjust that people should be obliged to live in misery. Which is why there is Poverty Threshold calculated, and refreshed every so often.

    At present, that Threshold is $24K for a family of four. The Minimum Wage is $15K a year. Have you any idea whatsoever how difficult it is to fend for a family of four on that revenue?

    From here: Rent Is Affordable to Low-Wage Workers in Exactly 12 U.S. Counties
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    Evidently, yours is not one of those Minimum Wage families ...
     
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  6. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bush started a needless war that cost us lives and one helluva lotta money. Obama fought Great Recession that he was gifted by Bush. The deficit was not the least bit justified as regards Bush, and was indeed justified for Obama.

    The two presidencies were both very different stories ...
     
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    So are these the same phantom people who don't have an ID? No matter how much the left tries you can't have it both ways , I thought Obama left Trump with a great economy and a low low Unemployment rate?
     
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    Yea we know bush Jr had us in two wars , Obama got a Nobel Peace prize by getting us in another useless war ...
     
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    I don't worry about them so much for my own sake, but I have known some people to have their retirement plans gutted because they were too heavily in the wrong places when they came.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You expected miracles after Bush handed us the Great Recession on a platter?

    What planet do you live on ... ?
     
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    What revisionist world does the left live in? Bush Jr warned Barney about Freddie and Frannie but he said no big deal, when the Democrats took over Congress in 2007 they had more important matters to look into like renaming post offices and stuff.

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    Good thing when the Republicans took back control and eliminated the 99 weekers unemployment dropped like a rock... nothing says get back to work when you can't sponge off the government no more

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    Btw that's another thing the Messiah lied about he said he wouldn't run again if he couldn't turn it around in one term

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    From the service I get at local fast food places with some exceptions, the 7/11 and elsewhere what makes you think these people deserve $15 an hour, and if you raise it for them then anyone skilled like two year degree holding RN's will demand a comparable wage increase as will shift supervisors and others across the board and then inflation shoots up with my SSI since its going to raise everything up I spend money on. And you can forget young, disabled, minority or others hard to find work for now never seeing a job unless they are lucky. This increase proposed is going to hurt the economy and jobs save making the underground economy get far bigger. If I wanted to make money disabled and young I would work for myself and find places to make money such as offering to work for someplace for cash at say $8 an hour plus a meal or two and no record of the work being done officially at a restaurant.

    The government is to big and cumbersome to likely keep all this in check.
     
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    Good! They should be in school rather than doing the work you don't want your children to do!

    BTW - you are factually incorrect. When done universally the work remains even for teens (for as long as the law is "universal", that is, applied in all states). Besides, with unemployment rates almost at rock-bottom there are plenty of hours-restricted jobs they could do whilst remaining in school.

    With the patchwork of labor-laws extant in the US, it would be welcome such a law nationally regarding the fines paid by those who hire them beyond a minimum number hours (to do casual work like delivering newspapers, etc).

    MY POINT? Regardless, we have got to keep the kids within an educational context until obtaining a post-secondary degree (vocational, 2- & 4-year).
     
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    Meh, you just don't care about black people.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.bet....lose-jobs-when-the-minimum-wage-rise.amp.html
     
  17. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right. I do not "just care" about black people. White, black, pink, or yellow they are humans and they all enjoy the same "rights". But only if we assure that said rights are an integral part of any nation's legal system - that is, as upheld by courts across the nation. (I.e., "Federal law".)

    What disturbs me most is the illegality of two manipulations of the "popular-vote" - the Electoral College and Gerrymandering. The first because it is an archaic Amendment to the Constitution (and thereafter, like the bible, supposedly immutable). The second because - almost as old as the EC - Gerrymandering is an obvious voting manipulation that statewide based only upon established/known district-classifications (like counties).

    Voting districts should never ever be created based upon known voting-habits of the population, which is an "unnatural" manipulation to promote either winner in a two-party system. (For which, in fact, there is no legal definition - the US is a two-party system only out of historical precedence and usage.)
     
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    LOL, you prefer mob rule instead of states rights.
     
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    The primary difference between Obama's spending and every other President is that his spending was justified because "interest rates were negative". Since negative interest rates are literally impossible, because no one loans money for extended periods of time at a loss, as the Obama administration implied, he didn't simply add to the deficit, but took out an ARM on our country, and we all know how that ends.
     
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    The Electoral College is a vital institution to this day, and removing it would nullify the clout offered to states with large numbers of non voters-such as children, immigrants, and felons.
     
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    1) the electoral college is good because it spreads voting power evenly across the country so, for example, liberal freak states like CA and NY don't pick our presidents

    2) gerrymandering is neutral since both parties do it based on how powerful they are at any point in time.
     
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    If you're retired or near retirement you shouldn't have a penny in the stock market outside of bonds and rock solid blue chips.
     
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    I am not retired or near retired
     
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    That was implied.

    I certainly worry about my mother and little brother(who is mentally handicapped), but a plan is already in place. Trump threw it for a bit of a loop, but in time that will be corrected.
     
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    You double the minimum wage teens, first time workers, the disabled, the elderly, people with prison records trying to redeem themselves, people of color and others will never have a chance at a job unless they work for themselves or off the books for below the minimum wage or they have mad skills in something. And those earning that now with skills will expect and can demand even more money a local nurse with a two year degree earning say $15 would expect likely $22 per hour and get it or they might as well flip hamburgers it pays as much with less dirt and mess. And my SSI due to the inevitable inflation would rise hard as would Social Security since our income from our benefits would need to also match these new costs in labor which would be passed on in prices and services. And the underground economy would go up as well I'm disabled I'd rather ,if I could work, for $8 an hour for cash over not working at all.
     
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