It's Not The States Responsibility To Get The Supplies!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by JimfromPennsylvania, Apr 3, 2020.

  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    25,756
    Likes Received:
    14,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not really! A bit of a enigma, but I suppose that's your style ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
    Dispondent likes this.
  2. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    25,756
    Likes Received:
    14,071
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Good point..
     
  3. squidward

    squidward Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    35,889
    Likes Received:
    8,759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I quote the portion that discredits the rest of the useless verbiage in your post. No need to waste server space quoting useless keystrokes
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
  4. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    11,172
    Likes Received:
    1,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What Jared Kushner said in that press conference floored me. What an arrogant sonofabitch.

    His calling the ventilators in the Federal stockpiles "ours" in reference to the federal government was mind blowing. If the ventilators are not for the states to use because they are theirs, who then are they for? Who are these ventilators being reserved for?

    There are no federal citizens that aren't state citizens. So if the ventilators aren't for the states, who need them for the people in those states, there are no people left for them to be for. At least not Americans in this country.

    So who, Mr. Kushner, are they for?
     
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    18,756
    Likes Received:
    8,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You quote the portion that discredits the portion that you do not quote...
    That is an interesting debate strategy.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    92,630
    Likes Received:
    28,286
    Trophy Points:
    113
    he means they are Trump's to use in trade for 'favors' from the states
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  7. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    18,756
    Likes Received:
    8,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ah, moved to personal insults now — how completely atypical...
    Good to see you have two debate strategies though.
     
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  8. squidward

    squidward Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    35,889
    Likes Received:
    8,759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Awe shuckers.
    Changes my word "talk" to "think" and then plays the "insult" card. Adorable!
    And, I insulted your premise, not you.

    Don't base posts on faulty premises
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 4, 2020
  9. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    18,756
    Likes Received:
    8,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Have a point and maybe you will get further.
    I am tired of the low effort back and forth trolling. Cheers
     
  10. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    92,630
    Likes Received:
    28,286
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump told the states he was ordering medical supplies, not to worry, he had it all under control, they depended on his word... yes, their mistake I guess
     
  11. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    10,540
    Likes Received:
    7,139
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    The constitution was designed to place the bulk of control and responsibility for a state in the hands of the state itself. Nowhere does it say that the federal government shall be a nanny controlling what those states choose to do, or be responsible for bailing them out when they fail to act responsibly. The feds are stretching way out now to bail out states that have failed themselves, because the people there are Americans, and most are responsible people- even if they have a governor and state politicians who are jackasses. Those are the politicians that tell the feds they have no business it dictating to states under normal conditions, and to stay out of their business-- but now want to blame the fed for not interfering anyway.

    However, the same people who look at government with those same expectations to care for them personally seem to be in large number today. Somebody owes me, I'm entitled, why didn't someone else prepare to save me from my own poor choices... the endless whine of the dependent, and of democratic state leaderships. Be careless until you crash the bus, then demand to be saved by the people you told to stay the hell out of your business.
     
    Facts-602 and Bondo like this.
  12. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2015
    Messages:
    11,936
    Likes Received:
    5,265
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Interesting sentiment, but it is 100% absolutely not correct or true. Governors and the legislatures carry the primary and ultimate responsibility for the people in their states...... period.
     
  13. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,143
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    States should have adequate supplies for a month.

    In excess of that is “national emergency” which falls on the federal.

    The issue is really test equipment.

    The infected must be identified and isolated. No one else should have to.
     
  14. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    11,982
    Likes Received:
    5,699
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Doh, not the president's responsibility either......
     
  15. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    6,342
    Likes Received:
    295
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Health care in US is private, so invisible hand of the market should sort it out.
    No American wants Socialism!
    It is better die then have Socialism.
    Capitalism will always win.
     
    jay runner likes this.
  16. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    6,342
    Likes Received:
    295
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Actually, it is a US government that establishes special regulations that prevents manufacturing of too many devices.
    Health care should be very expensive, that is what American people wants.
    Health care industry thrives due to artificial deficit of doctors, pharmaceutical products and biomedical equipment.
    Now it is time of payback, they have to follow government orders.
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2020
  17. jay runner

    jay runner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    14,862
    Likes Received:
    8,936
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In WWII hundreds of thousands of young individuals were asked to sacrifice their lives to preserve a way of life.

    Now hundreds of millions are being asked to sacrifice their way of life to try to preserve perhaps 100,000 individual lives, most of whom are already down for the count with terrible health.
     
    Bondo and kreo like this.
  18. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    6,342
    Likes Received:
    295
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Actual count is even less then 100,000, the real number of those who has died due to COVID-19 outbreak should be calculated as difference between number of people who died this year (for any reason) and average number of deceased people per year for the past e.g. 30 years.
    It could be that difference may be even negative, that is why we only see absolute numbers about COVID-19, instead of real statistics.
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2020
    Bondo likes this.
  19. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    12,756
    Likes Received:
    4,022
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree with the OP. It is actually the responsibility of the purchasing agents in the hospitals to acquire equipment and supplies. But the government is trying to help. Since it rarely helps anything, I would say it is positive that government helps.
     
    Esperance and jay runner like this.
  20. jay runner

    jay runner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    14,862
    Likes Received:
    8,936
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Every country, every hospital, every health system purchasing agent in the world is trying to buy all the can get as much as they can get and hope it will be enough in the end.

    Even bandanas are beginning to run short now. Get 'em while they still got 'em.
     
  21. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    6,342
    Likes Received:
    295
    Trophy Points:
    83
    If private hospital cannot serve people it should be nationalized.
     
  22. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    37,966
    Likes Received:
    7,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope. The hospitals are city and state run they are therefore supposed to be equipped by the cities and if the city is going to have its own hospital the city is responsible for supplying it.
     
  23. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    Messages:
    9,134
    Likes Received:
    2,464
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What country is New York in? I forget.
     
  24. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    12,756
    Likes Received:
    4,022
    Trophy Points:
    113
    To make things even worse?
     
  25. Tim15856

    Tim15856 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2016
    Messages:
    7,636
    Likes Received:
    4,065
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Cuomo criticizing Trump over ventilators when he's got plenty in storage.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ve-stockpile-unneeded-ventilators/5097170002/
    Cuomo is responsible for the cut in hospital beds.
    ttps://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-ny-hospital-medicaid/
     
    Dispondent likes this.

Share This Page