I've Now Read 100% of the Redacted Report | My Final Word

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  1. Gatewood

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    It would be very interesting to ask him WHY he ignored the Hillary Clinton/Fusion-GPS/Steele/Russia phony Trump dossier connection and EVERYTHING that pointed right back to Barack Obama; and especially since he cannot state that his investigatory instructions forbade following up such a clear trail since he was given open-ended instructions with no meaningful limits. Oh PLEASE haul Mueller before Congress and put him under oath. Oh please, oh please, OH PLEASE!
     
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    LOL :gop::unclesam::deadhorse::democrat:
     
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    I don't think you gasped the big picture. Mueller laid out a pathway of relevant facts leading to the White House. Then, after Democrats took the House, he released the roadmap to those willing to read and follow it. Mueller left plenty of meat for Congress to chew on. Once the roadmap leads to a "Holy crap that's a conspiracy! moment Congress will be interested in action and so will the public majority. I increasingly see the Mueller report as superb example of subtle manipulation in shaming Congress to do its job. You gotta be able to both read between the lines and recognize what is not being said to appreciate Mueller's genius.

    I don't think Trump supporters have demonstrated any such inclination. Frankly, the media and most of Congress seem a little slow on the uptake. You can bet a snake like Mitch McConnell gets it and is backing away from this landmine. That doesn't bother Trump loyalists, they've been tap dancing through a mine field for over two years. What the Democrats need to do now is erase the word "impeachment' from their minds and simply treat Trump as the useful idiot he is.
     
  4. Mike12

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    So Mueller presided over a costly 2 year phony investigation based on a fake unsubstantiated dossier (paid by the left containing info from russians) and all he could do is write a lengthy report as a puzzle for congress to solve? With no conclusions incriminating the president, just leaving pieces of the puzzle scattred all over so congress can put the puzzle together?

    It was professor plum, with that axe! Wait... but what about mrs scarlett.. she was there! Hold on.. colonel mustard was in the room! But... mrs white lied...

    Lol
     
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  5. Primus Epic

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    This is what real desperation looks like, Mike:

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    This is what real desperation looks like. DJT (aka "Donald J. Trump") was desperate in his attempts through Cohen, to get into Russia, to meet with Putin (the two big guys). You were told in the Mueller Report, that essentially anything and everything was going to be on the table at that meeting. What's anything and everything in a meeting that was supposed to only be about a business deal?

    This WAS impeachable material all by itself. There is no need to reach for "obstruction" though that is exactly what DJT engaged in. There is no need to reach for "collusion" though that is exactly what DJT engaged in. You have a Republican Nominee for the Presidency, working behind the scenes telling his devote Supporters the following:

    "I have no ties with Russia. None."

    Yet, behind the back of his Supporters, he's desperately trying to foster ties with Russia's President on a business deal that he claims publicly he's not pursuing. He lied to his Supporters and he did it in the middle of running for President of the United States. That's impeachable because it reaches the standard of that which is highly unethical, unprincipled and unbecoming of a Presidential Candidate for the high office in the land. It may not be a violation of Law. However, it rises well above that which is impeachable offense. The lie he told coupled to actively engaging a known Political and potentially Military Adversary to the United States while campaigning for the Presidency, is more than impeachable in my opinion.

    All you had to do was read the Mueller Report to know this.

    "I have no ties with Russia. None."

    Lie.
     
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    Let me have a go at it!

    First of all, remove it from legal discussion and recall the specific objectives of the Russian cyber attack (the one which was launched in 2014-5 and is still going on).

    Recall the Russian’s objectives. Undermine their primary adversary by using their technology and open society against them. Sow dissent through the new (and largely unguarded) means of social media. The objectives were to weaken the United States by exploiting and driving political divide. They do this by embracing and promoting division, racism, fear,and xenophobia. All of which have been key elements of both right wing media in the US and in Russian propoganda. Divide and weaken the western alliance and our realations with traditional allies in Asia.

    Then there’s Trump. The Russians know all about Trump. They’ve used him as a front man for their money laundering for years. They know that he’s an idiot, and a clown. They also know that he is a lousy businessman and that he doesn’t pay his bills and cannot be trusted under any circumstances.

    But Trump’s Archie Bunker act and his loud vulgar “ugly American” act was ready made for their campaign.

    They didn’t have to collude with him.

    And it’s obvious that they were a lot more interested in colluding with Moscow than Moscow was in colluding with them.

    Frankly, the Russians installed their people in the Trump campaign. That’s why Manafort was there. And it’s why Robert Mercer installed Kelly Ann Conway and Brannon.
     
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    Intent to receive and take into possession, stolen information from a Foreign Government and/or Foreign Agency with the express intent to commit election fraud.
     
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    Which shows intent to obstruct. Mueller, does not have this guy mere on "collusion." Mueller, has this guy on several different counts. He just can't indict a sitting President. We don't do that here and this places the President more above the law than nearly anyone else in our country.
     
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    This is even more desperate than i thought.. really? Trump was interested at some point with business in russia? And? Lol

    You all are dellusional.. seeing things that are not there...

    The real watergate is how the DOJ was weaponized by obama’s administration and political rivals. All birthed out of a dossier that has been discredited and the courts were lied to, to obtain fisa warrant.

    Be worried about what AG Barr will find... and the inspector general who has been looking at fisa abuse for 1 year now. I can’t wait!
     
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    Only if read from another Galaxy where Gravity does not exist and passageways to alternate universes can be accesses simultaneously without ripping apart the space time continuum between both them. In that case, I would agree, he's fully exonerated in some place where Gluons and Quarts don't exist. I am in 100% agreement with that sentiment. When you live in a world where there are no rules, no logic, no rationale, no reason and no common sense, anything and everything is quite possible.
     
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    Trump - whose hysterics have gone from "I'm f*cked!" to "Total vindication!" to "It's bullsh*t!" - is now calling for a McGahn fatwa.

    His and Robert Mueller's testimony before Congress should be sprightly.

     
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    That is the prime example of beating a dead horse. It does not get anymore prime than this continual statement which belies all misunderstanding of the facts: Where's the crime? It is as of those who ask that question have never read the United States Constitution.
     
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    Check your logic.

    If you do, you'll find that you must add something that isn't present in the lines you have underlined.
     
  14. Primus Epic

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    The rabbit hole may go all the way to the center of the earth, if the truth really be told. This is not the Russians first Rodeo into our elections. How many others have they influence, would be one of the most reasonable questions to ask in all this. They got busted wide open heavily on this one. But, how many did they not get busted on that we know nothing about. Not much you can do in an open society and an open IP network called the internet.

    I'm looking at one of my firewalls right now. I'm seeing penetration attempts from Russia, Ukraine, Bosnia, China and Korea. I see them getting bounced off my firewall constantly because of the type of ports I use. I run a commercial grade T1 Hypervisor that I built from spec with a few custom solutions I cooked up on my own for security (my own hacks). They are relentless in their repeated attempts. By far, the most "creative" attempts I've seen comes out of the Ukraine. Those guys are good. They are just not good enough because I used to consult on this stuff, so I know what they are doing and how they are doing it. But, a less vulnerable firewall configuration would be highly susceptible to that stuff coming out of Eastern European Countries. They spend a ton of time trying to access US based systems.
     
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    There was a Russian in every cup of coffee Trump Campaign Members drank. They were inhaling Russians and Ukrainians for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Open up your laptop - Russian. Pour a cup of noon day tea - Russian. Open up an email account - Russian and Ukrainian (a twofer). Go to brush your teeth at night before going to bed - a Russian pops out of your medicine cabinet. Pull the covers back on your bed at a Trump property - several naked Russians waiting for you. Step into the men's room - a Russian there to unzip your fly for you at no extra charge. Golf weekend - a Russian would caddie for you. Computer down - call Russian Tech Support. Need a real estate deal done - talk to a Russian. Need to "engineer" a Presidential Election - coordinate, cooperate and then exonerate a Russian.

    - Need a call girl? Russia
    - Need a taxi? Russia
    - Need tax returns? Wait until the Russian Audit is completed
    - Need.....? Russia
    - Need.....? Russia
    - Need.....? Russia

    No matter how you slice it, the 2016 Presidential Election flowed through Russia, before it tipped its hat here in the United States. A totally secure election result, by the way. No doubt about it. 100% secure.
     
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    The slow death of our Republic at the hands of Anti-American Traitors who would think it "otay" to accept assistance from Mother Russia, in the skyjacking of a Presidential Election. A slow death indeed.
     
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    oh boy...nice deflection. The reason i mention crime is because democrats claim he committed a crime; in fact, they claim he committed many crimes.. obstruction of justice being one of them. This is the reason they say he must be impeached, i ask, what crime?

    So are we now changing the conversation to democrats wanting to impeach him for something else? Let's have it... what is the reason now? they don't like him? they think he's unpresidential? let me hear it...
     
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    At some point? You make it sound as if Cohen, was not desperately attempting to arrange direct meetings with Putin over this straight through 2016. You can't be serious and you clearly have not read the Report, which tells you the exact time line you are dealing with and how it parallels the 2016 Campaign and Election.

    Either you did not read, cannot read, or can read but refuse to accept what the Report tells you. My posts and conclusions come straight off of Mueller's keyboard and directly into your eyeballs. You can't claim that I'm making things up or seeing things that are not there, because what I'm claiming is precisely what Mueller, has told you in his Report.

    You can decide to keep yourself ignorant of the Report's details if you so desire. It won't make you anymore aware and conscious of the truth, which is exactly how you blind supporters are coping with this matter. You've decided to remain blissfully ignorant of the facts inside the Report. That's fine with me. But, sitting here and pretending that a re-print of exactly what Meuller has said, is somehow delusional is tantamount to telling Mueller, that he's delusional for putting it in his Report.

    Go tool up and read the Report, if your ego can actually handle what it shows you. Mueller, shows you collusion. He just can't indict on those grounds and he does not want to create another constitutional crisis. So, he provides the details showing manifest collusion and then lets Congress decide whether or not it wants to draft articles of impeachment.
     
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    I'm f*cked!
    I'm totally vindicated!

    I'm f*cked!
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    I'm totally bipolar and completely unable to control myself. But, yeah, its all just a bunch of bullsh*t! No, wait a minute...

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    Back to bipolar. Back to its total bullsh*t! Wait. Hold it....

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    Bipolar resolve. I'm ok. I'm still here. I'm good. No!

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    What a real President.
     
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    Deflection to where's the crime?

    You guys are lost sheep. No brains and no common sense.
     
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    Read the Report in full. If you do, you'll find that reading between the lines is not necessary.
     
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    your democrats are the ones saying he needs to be impeached for crimes... tell me, what is the rationale for impeachment? it comes down to you and your phony leftist friends not liking Trump. Pathetic...
     
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    there is nothing there stop hallucinating... step off the drugs man.
     
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    I'm not a Democrat. Learn to read.
     
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