Jesus was a Muslim by US Religious professor

you are probably right.

but by that reasoning, there are not many true christians either.

 

Nosferax's definition of crap:

anything he/she disagrees with or doesn't understand.

 

Look @ the "why do you hate islam?" Threads in the religion section. The muslims will tell you to be a true muslim you must follow the quran and sunnah.
Jesus christ would not follow the sunnah.

Also according the bible jesus christ was divine. In islam jesus christ is just a prophet. Also the virgin mother plays a vital part in christianity but no role in islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Damascus

This thread is retarded.

 

This is an example of a post that Nosferax likes ... which says a lot about Nosferax's capacity for discernment.

 

Jesus was no muslim.

 

Haven't the time or patience to read all the nonsense posted here, but yes, according to Islam, Jesus was a Muslim.

The definition of a Muslim since Mohammad has been any person who believes in the ONE God and Mohammad as the last messenger. However, Quran also goes on to add that all the people before who followed the prophets and messengers sent before by God (Jesus being one of them; Abraham, Noah are others to mention a few) including those prohets and messengers are Muslims because they believed in the oneness of God and the followed the teachings of his messengers / prophets.

Muslims do not believe Jesus to be a God but to be a prophet (a human being). So yes, by the definition, Jesus would be a Muslim.

Also, as regards those ignorant people that stated that Quran is about just one man only and does not mention any other, the Quran repeatedly mentions many messengers and prophets. According to Wikipedia, the Quran mentions Jesus by name 25 times and Mohammad only 4 times. I suggest people actually research before spewing off nonsense gathered from hate mongering sites.

 

So you're under the assumption Christ was not divine right? You don't believe in the Holy Trinity?

of course if you don't believe Christ was divine you'd think he was a Muslim.

 

So you're under the assumption Christ was not divine right? You don't believe in the Holy Trinity?

Of course if you don't think Christ is divine you would think he was a Muslim.

 

Jesus was not a Muslim.

 

funny that. nosferax starts this disliking trend and the copy cats jump on board.

 

how?

what do you think was meant by an arian monk?

do you think the nazis were around in the 7th century and that islam was derived from some form of nazi christianity?

 

he was critical of various branches of christianity as well. doesn't make him right or wrong. but it means that you need to read his writings in a wider context.

 

but there is no proof that he was.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is held in higher regard in Islam than she is in many protestant churches.

 

people who are not christians don't, but not all of those people would think he was a muslim.

no of course about it.

 

Jesus wasn't divine?

There is no proof in religion, so then let's use the words of christ as proof.

o yeah he also died, went to hell,and was resurrected. And yet he is not Divine?

The only way you can claim Jesus was a Muslim is if you take the word of the Quran more then the Word of the Bible.

 

I suggest you a) learn the definition of analogy because I didn't make one, and b) learn how to spell it.

Let me guess you subscribe to the Khazar conspiracy theories eh? Well unfortunately for you those theories have been thoroughly debunked by numerous genetic studies which prove conclusively that the modern Jews (including the Ashkenazi) can trace their genetic lineage to the paleolithic Levant.

 

"To dispel the rumour, Nero substituted as culprits, and treated with the most extreme punishments, some people, popularly known as Christians, whose disgraceful activities were notorious. The originator of that name, Christus, had been executed when Tiberius was Emperor, by order of the procurator Pontius Pilatus. But the deadly cult, though checked for a time, was now breaking out again not only in Judea, the birthplace of this evil, but even throughout Rome, where all the nasty and disgusting ideas from all over the world pour in and find a ready following."


Tacitus
Annals 15 : 44.

 

And according to the historical facts he was not.

 

Of course. The reason different religions exist is because people have different beliefs. Muslims believe in one God, Christians in the trinity. Your point is?

According to Islam he was. According to Christianity and Judaism, he wasn't. Again, different beliefs, different conclusions or did you think Islam and Christianity were one and the same religion?

Hmm ok. Let's look at the Bible (the so called word of God) and look at the inconsistencies in it. You really think your God can't even proofread. I wouldn't put much faith in such a God, would you?

If Jesus was really divine, or son of God or whatever you wanna call it, how were his enemies able to inflict pain upon him? Christians talk about the suffering of Christ but how can ordinary humans have such power to make a divine being suffer. Again, you think its the same God who created the heavens and the Earth?

What historical evidence would that be? You can't get an objective account of events that transpired 20 years ago, let alone those events that happened 2,000 years ago. What we have is the Bible (full of inaccuracies and inconsistencies) and the Old Testament (full of violence and hate). You really wanna place your faith on that?

 

Just Arab speakers? What would Turkish, Persian and Indonesian speakers say?

In any case... if 'Muslim' means follower of one God, that means the Bella Coola natives of the North American pacific-northwest were 'Muslim', right?

It also means Zoroastrianism, the dominant religion of Persia before Islamic warriors marched in, were 'Muslim', because Zoroastrians believed in one God, which means the Islamic conquest of Persian was 'Muslim' attacking 'Muslim' to make them 'Muslim'.

Maybe on a philosophical level 'Muslim' means 'follower of one God', but in terms of how it was implemented and expressed throughout history by Arabs, it meant 'believer that Muhammed was Allah's prophet', which means, if you want to get picky, that Arab warriors were obsessing more about Muhammed than Allah.

Are there denominations of Islam teaching that nobody gets to Allah except through Muhammed the way Christian denominations focussed on the Gospel of John stress about the passage saying "no one comes to the Father but through Me"?

 

Well then you probably don't want to pray to the pagan moon god "Allah".

 

If Islam is claiming to worship the same God as the Jews and Christians, then yeah, it's supposed to be a continuation. If they claim the same prophets as the Jews and Christians, then it's supposed to be a continuation. The problem arises when you have Islam saying Jesus is a prophet BUT throwing out whole chapters of what He said. God is not the author of confusion. He wouldn't contradict Himself. Neither should His prophets, yet you have Mohammed contradicting Jesus. One of them is right, they can't BOTH be.

Yes.

The whole point of a Divine sacrifice was made waaaaay back in the Old Testament many times, where you had to sacrifice an animal or more in order to make a covering for sin. The problem was that it was only a temporary sacrifice, you had to keep doing it again and again. The only real solution to that was to have an infinite sacrifice that could cover an infinite number of sins, and no one animal, heck all the animals in the world can't do that. You need God Himself to make that sacrifice. It's not that Jesus COULDN'T have come down from the cross but rather if He DID, it would have completely negated the plan of redemption. Jesus spoke several times about the cup He would have to drink. His crucifixion and death was that cup.

 

My point is this thread is stupid.

Aren't the muslim and christian god the same?

What makes you think the divine can't feel pain. Did not god feel remorse after the great flood?

I didn't say God and Jesus were the same,.I said jesus was divine.

and so why should we take the quran as any more literal then the bible?

 

I just meant that the two original statements were equally goofy. I can do formal logic if I have my arm twisted, but it is not my thing, and I do not enter into it lightly!

 

God was talking to Semites in the OT, in a way that the Semites of that time and place could understand it. Read up on pagan faiths, and try to understand that this was the mind set of the people in that time and place. When God felt the time was ripe, He incarnated His Word to give us a fuller vision of Himself and what He consisted of.

Christianity is not Islam. It is not a religious/political entity but purely a spiritual one. Contrary to contemporary belief, it's expansion was through the prayers, preaching and miracles of it's prophets/saints. As an example, check up on Mexico and Our Lady of Guadalupe.
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Christianity is not Islam. People are not Christians simply because they say they are. Baptism gives one the potential to become a Christian, but they have to accept Jesus as having redeemed them and repent for their sins if they want to unite with Him in His Kingdom. Anyway this world belongs to satan, and he's always in combat with Christians... even within the same families and that's why Jesus said He's not here to bring peace.

It wasn't Christians that killed the Jews either, since Hitler's crooked cross represented a pagan 'nationalism'... sort of like Islam. As for the native Americans, they died of the measles because they had no immunity to the desease. The children that were half breeds, had a higher survival rate. As for the current wars, you forget it that it's Muslims killing Muslims.

Better to say that as long as paranoids exist who believe that others will do to them what they are doing, or will do to others if they have a chance, there is bound to be friction and wars. This is why there are so many conspiracy theories in the Middle East. Look, they can't understand the West and so they interpret everything according to what their own motives would be...which doesn't say much for Islam.






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