Jesus was the first Republican:

It seems so. He challenged the power of the state, created the individual, and taught him how to think and behave . This eventually led to Thomas Jefferson and America. We must never forget that we were Romans before we were Christians. For us an afternoons entertainment was watching people being eaten alive at the Coliseum, at least until Christ taught us this was not right.

 

Except for the Private Property thing.

One point of Mormon history I have not been able to get a handle on is when/why/how
did they abandon a communal economy for increased private ownership.
The same happened with the first Christians.

Moi

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Make Pay Its' Fair Share!​

 

no idea what you are trying to say​

 

Okay, I will type slowly for you.

Start typing slowly
The parts where Jesus tells the rich man to sell all that he has and give it to the poor.
The part where Jesus says it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter heaven.

The No Private Property, One Big Happy Community ain't Republican. It's
It didn't last long for the early Christian communities nor the Mormon experience.
End typing slowly.


Moi
BTW I admit to dyslexia and may not express my writings so good

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Prime Minister.
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

1) but he does not say form a Nazi govt to forcibly redistribute money to the poor
2) conservatives give more to charity than liberals ? What does that teach you?

 

Ridiculous! Actually, as a Jesuite teacher told us over 50 years ago, Jesus was the first socialist! He was the original progressive, fighting for the poor people, the sick, the elderly and EVEN for the status of women. The ONLY people who ever triggered true anger in Jesus were the equivalent of today's Republicans (especially the hyper religious evangelicals!): THE PHARISIENS. . .those hungry for wealth and for power, and totally self-righteous and arrogant!

Yep. . .Jesus would have hated today's Republicans and the evangelical Talibans!

 

You evaded or at best went tangential to the point of private property,
Republican vs Jesus.

I will probably give you the last word on what is obvious to anyone who knows, Jesus.

 

Seriously? The Nazis in the 1930s & WWII didn't redistribute money, & certainly not to the poor. They murdered or disappeared the owners - typically into slave labor/death camps - & simply stole property, jewelry, clothes, paintings, books - anything shiny that they took a liking to. The Nazi government was a kind of kleptocracy - they stole people's lives & labor & goods, & mostly kept the proceeds for themselves or their party cronies. The analogy to Robin Hood is wrong - Hood returned the fruits of labor to the people who provided the sweat equity to make the crops grow, for instance.

 

"Thou shalt not steal [private property]"


Peter’s rebuke to Ananias in Acts 5:3-4 demonstrates that deception was the problem, not private property rights.

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” (emphasis added)

Peter’s statements assume private property rights and clearly state that the giving in the early church was voluntary, not compulsory. While Ananias owned it, it belonged to him, not to everyone, no one, the civil government, or the church. After he sold it, the proceeds similarly belonged to him.


In a message dated 6/18/2014 7:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bje1000@aol.com writes:

2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 ESV /

Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

When Clinton made welfare workfare fully half decided they no longer needed welfare!

 

you are looking short term. Socialists killed millions hoping to get to communism. Nazis the same. Now do you understand?

 

socialism under stalin and Mao slowly killed 120 million while China just switched to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of all the poverty on earth? Where did Jesus say, form a Nazi govt and a redistribute wealth to the poor at gun point??

 

Created the individual ?

Furthermore Jesus preached rather submission to the state "give back to god what belong to god, and to Caesar wha belong to Caesar".

Until 1900 it was considered normal to watch public executions furthermore, so I don't see really the difference.

I never heard furthermore that Jesus loved armies or weapons.

 

You have a very warped idea of socialism! Nazi were not socialists! And Neither China nor Russia were socialists! Socialism, especially Democratic socialism, has nothing to do with Communism!

You are confusing the POLITICAL system with the economic systems.
Socialism refers to means of production. And in social democracy, it is a cooperation between Capitalism placed at the service of society, rather than being used to enslave the labor force.

Communism vs Socialism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

 

Yah, the Nazis had Socialism as part of their name. & N. Korea styles itself as the People's Republic of Democratic N. Korea - I count @ least three lies in the latter. & certainly the Nazis weren't looking to install some kind of Communist nor communist government/economy/party. Hitler loathed the Communists - for whatever personal reason he may have had.

My point is that it doesn't matter what a polity calls itself - the thing to pay attention to is what they do. Hitler & the Natzis talked a good game, but they killed & stole on an industrial scale. The USSR had a pretty ideology - no idea if it would have worked, I tend to think not, not with actual people in the actual World - but they also killed & stole in the name of the Workers' Paradise to come.

 

And christianism is responsible for the genocide of congolese, native american, cathare, act of cannibalism, civil war. The catholic church helped the nazis to escape their trials.

By the way I overstate, but how many horrors were commited in name of christianism ?

 

I totally agree! Extreme religiosity, in every religion, including but not limited to Christianity and to Islam, have been responsible for evil.

In fact, at the beginning of WWII, the Catholic Church hierarchy was rather supportive of Hitler. It is only later in the war that the Catholic Church realised the horrors of nazi regime and turned against it.

 

you miss the point!!! to our founders they were all liberals with a scam to centralize power. That commonality is how our founders were able to identify them and make them all illegal here.
Now you understand the basis of your country.

 

Exactly, and if what they do is focus power in central govt they are evil and illegal in America.

 

And not only at the beginning, they help the ss escape to Argentina. The fun fact is that the catholic church excommuniate the commies and not the nazis.

 

OK, Who were the founders in this? Can you name names? & who are the them in this?

 

why not name your best example so we can laugh at your ignorance. Interesting the way treasonous liberals oppose christianity when it gives them the freedom to be treasonous and has no desire to cut off their heads while they are alive. Why not go to Raqqa and see if you can get away with saying Islam is genocidal?

 

Yes, I think that founders would had slighty difficulties to identify an unborn K.Marx.

 

Our Founders created our Constitution after they studied history and discovered that liberal govt had been the source of evil. Thus they made it illegal in America. Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin , gave Stalin the bomb, and want a living commie Constitution rather than the dead Consitution our founders gave us??

 

wrong wrong wrong!! to our Founders he was just another liberal with a just another big govt scam.

 

Islam is just like christianism but even worst. I mentionned many, the genocide of the cathare, the native american, the congolese genocide, without considering that nazis were protected by catholic. You're aware that crusaders ate children ? Literraly.