Joe Biden: illegal immigration is “a gift” to the U.S.

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    A lot of people have problems with unconditional amnesty, and its easy to see why.
    If we give amnesty to the current crop of undocumented immigrants, what's to stop more from coming in tomorrow?
    And do we give those immigrants amnesty as well?... Some may feel that immigrants are a benefit to the nation,
    and in some respects and to a certain extent that may be true, but certainly there is a limit to that benefit, right?
    A point at which more immigrants actually lead to more problems as opposed to being beneficial.

    As such, immigration should be effectively controlled by the legal system.
    We can have immigration, but they need to come here legally, and we should have sufficient
    border controls and enforcement mechanism to ensure that. We also need to be addressing the employers.
    But again, as I keep telling folks, all of that is going to take compromise.

    So with that, what is your opinion on the following compromise proposal?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...hensive-immigration-reform-compromise.550626/
    -Meta
     
  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden is all in on open borders.

    If we can deport illegals, then how is that any different than having open borders? Remember, we've been hearing for months that the law is the law, we're a nation of laws, and no one is above the law. Why do illegals get a pass from the left?

    But these people, who the left says are needed in order to make our society functional and grow our economy, if they ever see the light and become conservatives, then the left will turn on them and call them racists, nazis, haters, and even deplorables.

     
  3. The Mello Guy

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    If he doesn’t respect borders then why was he caging kids?
     
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    I don’t know why Biden was caging kids. It was the law?
     
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    We've already had a one time amnesty and got screwed over.

    Never again.
     
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    Huh? I'm against illegal immigration. How could you come to a differing conclusion than that?
     
  7. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden said obama was wrong for doing that.
     
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    And then they all become eligible for welfare, no thanks.
     
  9. The Mello Guy

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    At least you admit they aren’t eligible now
     
  10. Paul7

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    There is a path to citizenship and always has been, but it doesn't start with crossing the border illegally. We need merit based legal immigration.
     
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    Only sucking dry our schools, hospitals, and prisons.
     
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    Disease isn’t exactly at their hands. And Remember those native Americans were slaughtering each other long before any white people showed up. Many died yes. But many traded and got along. Nobody owned all that land. It just changed hands through the years. Eventually EU used superior technology and crossed the oceans, brought the wheel and many other things native Americans never could imagine. That’s life. Civilizations expand and take over. If Europeans were invading them why central and South Americans are doing now is certainly an invasion. They can look on a map and see exactly who owns what. There are laws they can read about. No such thing existed back when Spanish people showed up on the East coast.
     
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    Yup, after the Spanish were driven out of NM in the Pueblo Revolt in 1680, the Apaches kicked the stuffing out of the Pueblo tribes. They were begging the Spanish to come back and restore order, which happened at the time of the Reconquest in 1692.

    Exactly, why was it wrong for the Spanish to arrive, I thought multi-culturalism was good?

    The SW Indians, some of who were involved in cannibalism, wouldn't have had the horse or wheel without the Spanish, among many other things.
     
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    They seem more interested in running casinos and receiving public aid these days.
     
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    And drinking themselves to death. Liberals should t be fooled. There are so many native Americans that are wealthy beyond measure due to our generosity. And these same extremely lucky ones refuse to spread the wealth to other tribes. Care to guess why? Because just like now native Americans didn’t give 2 shits about each other then. They happily slaughtered each other. Now they do it with lawyers.
     
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    Truth is, both parties have wanted illegal immigration to keep wages low in several sectors and it works in concert with job sucking globalism in keeping wages low in the interest of big banking and big business and business in general. And the war against unions .

    It is all about maxing out profit and that is no big secret . Our rulers could have put a halt to illegal immigration any time they wanted. That they didnt is the proof they want this immigration.

    Trump is the only leader that actually seemed to want to fix the problem but as Coulter says he could have done so without congress which means he played his voters like a beer joint fiddle !

    What would stop illegal immigration is something neither party will do. Seriuosly go after the carrot...the criminal employers . Send a few to fed prison and no more carrots.

    And until congress does this they are lying to the people. They will continue fooling the fools with 3 card monte.
     
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    Are Native Americans USA passport holders?
     

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