JOE BIDEN WINS GEORGIA

Maybe regarding her, I drank the Kool-Aid being sold by the Trump campaign. I do have a negative view of her, but I confess that I never tried to independently verify it. It's been said that her voting record is more progressive than Sander's and Warren's. If this is true (again, I have not tried to independently verify it, which is possible; there is a website that keeps track of senatorial votes but I haven't consulted it in ages; and it is time-consuming to filter through her votes and positions over a long period) then it concerns me. In addition to the fact that as a centrist I don't like any politician whose voting record is too far right or too far left, I have this negative gut feeling about her. She somehow strikes me as narcissistic and prone to saying whatever she believes will foster her own career (as in, she doesn't seem very genuine to me - although maybe it's too much to expect from any politician - being a successful politician, these days, includes being skillful in the art of telling lies). At times I fear that she might be the Trump of the Left, in regards to some personality traits, authoritarian and selfish. Maybe I'm wrong about her, a possibility I'm certainly acknowledging when I talk about a gut feeling. I'm fully aware that gut feelings are not infallible and are not necessarily factual. I confess that as a matter of fact, I don't know Vice-President Elect Kamala Harris that well.

If anybody here wants to clarify her pros and cons and what is factual in what is said about her, and what is an electoral smear campaign, I'm willing to listen.

 

So? He was doing what candidates do to get elected. The primary goal wasn't to please AOC. The goal was to get President Snowflake out of office.

Well, last I checked, 11 of 13 were laughed out of court for lack of evidence. Isn't that the definition of frivolous?

 

I'm much more optimistic. I agree McConnell will find himself between a rock and a hard place, and it's anybody's guess how things play out. One thing I think is certain, McConnell's strategy will include different tactics than in 2009. While pure opposition for the sake of power never changes, how McConnell achieves that in today's environment presents hurdles that Trump couldn't clear, and any threat of making Biden a one-term president would be foolish.

Biden's energy policy will be criticized, perhaps rightly so, as too progressive. So can any government projects, in varying degrees. I don't think this will be effective, though. Unemployed people don't care where the work comes from. If Biden can produce a thriving economy, which I have every reason to believe he will, nobody will care about any socialist tag.

 

Yes, I was thinking about the voting record ratings. I don't put much stock into those ratings, nor any particular vote itself. I'm not saying the ratings are wrong, but they are only as correct as the ratings' bases for classifying a yes or no vote, most times on complex legislation with numerous unrelated amendments, attachments and such, along a predetermined ideological continuum. I don't find them useful for argument. I completely agree that further examination of one's Senate record may indicate patterns that could rightfully indicate an ideological bent, or as what we currently see, a partisan wall, but that is far too time consuming for me as well. Voting records can be manipulated to show something they don't. Biden's anti-busing vote for example.

She's not the most genuine person, I agree. I kinda like the way she rolled with Pence, though. Now there's a genuine man. Rock solid. Lol.

 

Do you think she could have won leading the ticket? She was one of the first eliminated in the primaries.

 

No, but neither could Pence, or Quayle, or Mondale.

 

The official records will recognize that Trump spent less than obama prior to a global pandemic while achieving FAR more at the same time. It will recognize he has many achievements, while having staunch opposition in about every aspect of our culture infuencers. It will recognize that despite every cultural influence being united against him, he came very close to winning. He will be remembered as a great president once emotions simmer down.

 

Excellent post. And no offense taken. I probably deserved it. Hand shake.

 

I know when it comes to politics when someone does you a favor then you return it because you just never know when you will need another favor. Biden I'm sure understands this very well. Maybe Biden doesn't owe AOC much but Sanders has been around a long time and has worked with Biden on many ocaision. I don't think Biden is going to kick Sanders to the curb.

 

Think about it. McConnell and Biden are friends. They like each other. They respect each other. Biden has always been a moderate.

AOC and her ilk are like three people in Congress. Compare with Qanon, who now will have two people in Congress. I'm not worried about Qanon taking over the country; you shouldn't worry about AOC. She's not well liked. My loony lefty friends think she's an idiot.

 

While the pandemic will likely be a footnote it will not be differentiated on the final data sets — just like it wasn’t with Obama or during the Great Depression or any other pandemic in history.

Do you really think historians will make this exception just for trump?

 

Incorrect, is absolultely will. Trump outperformed Obama while spending less, this will absolutely be remembered despite howw you choose to "feel" about it.

 

So the history books and the BLS will completely revise their reporting, but only for trump. Got it.

I want to mock the red hats so bad I really “feel” bad for their issues.
I hope we — as a nation — can recover from the lies and delusions. I am not optimistic though.

 

Incorrect, I never said that. That is your purposeful misrepresentation.

History books have never been so simplistic as you make them to be.

They will absolutely remember that Trump outperformed obama while spending less.

The ones with issues, are those who hate Trump so much they refuse to acknowledge what a good job he did as President, simply becuase the MSM told them to hate him.

I to am hopeful we can get past the lies and delusions of the MSM and their leftist allies. I am not optimistic either.

 

Can you provide an example — just one — of the BLS or any presidential comparisons that exclude parts of their term while including it for the other?

 

Can you provide an example of a good analysis that is so simplistic that it would ignore the occurrences during their presidency?

Face it, what you are wanting is for them to give a overly simplistic view of history to suit your narrative.

 

Every presidential comparison available does direct metric for the term in office, they have notations but the figures encompass entire presidential terms (ie the great recession spending was largely attributed to Obama even though it was started by and in prior administrations, here is a good one on fiscal analysis: https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
And a Wikipedia article on debt ratios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt

Your turn, back up your narrative, here is your chance.

 

Incorrect, every presidential comparison worth its salt does indepth analysis of what each president inherited, the issues they fought against, the obstructionism, the culture, pandemics, etc in order to judge the presidents comparatively.

What you posted, proved my point. You are hoping for an overly simplistic description of each presidency in order to suit your narrative. History is never viewed in such a simplistic manner as it ignore all of the previously mentioned.

 

Agreed. The only reason we even know of AOC is because Trump gave the Squad more publicity than it deserved. People in their districts like them. That's all that matters.

I don't think Biden will shut out Bernie, though. If Sanders supporters think they're getting everything they want (which I wouldn't doubt they do), they're in for a surprise. Biden has a renewable energy plan. That, IMO, is satisfactory for the left wing of the party. Anything else would be a bonus.

 

I like how AOC is angry that the dem party is turning on her, which some of the first things she did was protest her own party, and even "create a list" of dems to get rid of. Or atleast threatened to do so.

Cant make that up.

 

Again, I am talking about data metrics.
They will not compare three years if trump to the first four years of Obama.
It simply will not happen.

If you look at what the historical footnotes will say, the US has had one of the worst COVID responses in the world — we spent more money given to banks and large corporations vs other nations that directly helped the people — the amount of fraud and waste alone will probably be in the analysis you think will be glowing.

 

Again, I am and have always been as I specifically stated speaking about the analysis of each presidency.

The objective fact, regardless of how you choose to "feel" about it, is history will remember that Trump spent less than Obama while accomplishing more. The indepth analysis that you dont want to happen will happen regardless. History is never limited to such a simplistic point of view as you are hoping for.

They absolutely will compare the first 3 years, each year gets compared already as it is. Again, you pretending this isn't true already, is astonishingly dishonest.

History remembers context.

 

Except he didn’t.

Let’s do a simple test:
What was the debt at the beginning of Obama’s term?
What was the debt at the end of Obama’s term?
Divide that number by 8, what is the result?

What was the debt at the beginning of trump’s term?
What is the debt at the end of trump’s term? (you can use the current debt if you wish)
Divide that number by 4, what is the result?

Which number is less? Show your work

You can do the same with unemployment or GDP growth.

 

Except he did. From an objective standpoint, he did.

He had a better economy, accomplishing more, while spending far less during his first 3 years than obama did during his. Again, this is true no matter how much you may wish it wasn't.

And history, will remember this context.

Better economy, less money spent, lower unemployment, lower amount of people on govt assistance, inverse relationship created between unemployment and LFPR. Trump outperformed obama hard lol. Trump found that magic wand.

 

Trump spent more then Obama in 4 years and that was during a supposed great economy, Obama had a economic crash to deal with