Joe The Plumber Joins A Union (UAW)

The freedom to freeload off his coworkers? Cry me a river.

 

So if he quits the union then he won't be doing any work and the others workers will do his work for him?

And I have no reason to doubt that he would prefer his wage be based on what HE produces and brings to the job, not what some union boss says he should be paid.

So you don't believe in freedom and liberty to work according to your own talent and abilities and performance on the job?

 

If he doesn't like his job for whatever reason he should Q-U-I-T !!!! ---- That's what you rightwingers always say to those who complain about low wages and long hours!

 

So let him go do that at a job that doesn't already have a collective bargaining agreement. If he wants to work there then he should be happy to contribute to the CB that resulted in a contract so good that he wants to work there

 

What if it's not the job he dislikes? What if he feels he is fully capable of representing himself? Do you have someone negotiate everything you do for you or do you do some of it yourself?

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Yeah, Joe, He wants to work there because of the contract.

 

I assume like most he chooses his job based largely on the pay and benefits

 

Your article doesn't say if the Jeep plant was in a right to work state..........was it? Oh that's right he's forced to join a Union to work there.

 

OK, then why is it a problem for a union to donate to a political cause with your dues? You agreed to the union dues when you took the job. You contracted with the union just like you contracted with the corporation.
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Agreed. My objection to unions isn't against allowing folks to work, negotiate, or politic collectively. My objection begins when either collective attempts to establish a monopoly.





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Yes I agree too. But the union is still likely to be his representative body to the company and he will probably accept all that they negotiate on his behalf. It would be rather selfish of him to take everything they get for him and give nothing back, which leaving the union and keeping his job would give him.

But I don't think the law should intervene in this personal choice. Its an issue solely between the company, Union and employee. Why the law should enter in to this area, I don't know.

 

No it was forced on you. You agreement to employment and your wage is between you and the employer. The union is a third party who should have no business sticking their hands into your pocket and using your money to promote their political causes. That's why there are right to work states, where properly the law states you should not be forced to fund a third party nor should that third party have a claim to your paycheck without your approval.

Why do you object to that freedom and liberty? Tell me what if your employer said that they would take 2% of your wage every week and use it to promote their political causes? You would scream bloody murder and threaten to report them to the Labor Department and DOJ as that is against the law isn't it.

Get it now?

 

What if he doesn't want them to do so and of course he is forced to take what the negotiate.

I have been a union member twice in my life. Both times they held down what I could have earned and inhibited my advancement.

Union money. They payoff the Democrats. You want to know how unions work?

Back in the late 70's I was a production superintendent at a medium size manufacturing plant in Chicago, you know that big union town. I was still young and had already had the two experiences with unions, stories in their own right, as noted above. The union contract was coming up soon and one day while having my routine morning coffee with the plant manager going over yesterdays production and the schedule for the day asked him what he thought was going to happen, would there be a strike or would it go smoothly, what would the workers get, etc.

He looked at me and a little smile formed in the corner of his mouth and said, they will get x% raise and the new contract will be accepted on the third vote. I said what, how do you know that? He just gave a wink and said trust me. Well the time came up and they elected the additional union floor representatives and the union business managers came in and the company high management came in and they went behind closed doors to negotiate the contract. After a few days the union business managers came out screaming and banging their fist with a proposal and told the workers the company was trying to screw them and they should vote down this contract and not giver in. So they did vote it down. They go back to negotiations and a couple of days later the same thing and the contract was voted down. The THIRD time the union bosses patted themselves on the back coming out, announced to the workers THIS was a good contract and they should vote to accept it which they did for the exact % wage increase as the plant manager had told me a few weeks earlier.

THAT is how unions work. They are a business and the business managers want to make a profit and not incur unnecessary expenses like strike wages and expensive litigation. The deal above had all been worked out between the union bosses and company management before the workers had even elected the floor reps, all behind their backs and then a big charade was put on. BTW it was the Sheetmetal Workers union.

 

If the margin of my labor is over 2% and they take that profit and donate to a political cause, then they are doing the exact same thing, taking money that could be paid to me, to pay political causes.

A corporation is not a person. This is supposed to be a nation "for the people, by the people and of the people".... corporations are not on that list, and neither are unions. Why can't you get that a corporation should not be giving to political causes any more than a union does. The people are supposed to decide the government. Corporations should be able to "lobby" by presented ideas to government and trying to convince the people's representatives it is in the best interest of the country to do something. But they should not be able to tie that to funding the political campaigns of politicians with money.

It does not matter if a union is taking your dues or a corporation is taking profit from your labor, it is still the product of your labor being taken and more importantly, an organization that is not a "person" corrupting politics with large amounts of money for their own interests.

Oh, and I am screaming bloody murder that corporations taking the 2% of the product of my work and giving it to political causes. Get it now?