John Kerry overheard discussing possible 2020 bid amid concern of 'Sanders taking down the Democrati

John Kerry has rather vehemently denied that he ever said he had any intention of running for president again!!!

 

Sanders is open about his socialism, while the others want to keep it on the QT.
Thus, they are afraid Sander's honesty about his agenda will bring them another electoral loss.

 

Chris Mathews said today that there are no good candidates this time.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-of-msnbc-says-2020-democrats-cant-beat-trump

 

...and Kerry's kid.

 

If he runs that means his kid can't be investigated

 

Well contrary to popular belief there are some people in the DNC that have minimal math skills and they see what a complete danger Bernie is to the financial well being of EVERYONE. Some businesses are actually owned by democrats (hard to believe, I know) and they see a wealth of taxes and regulations and burdens coming their way under communism so yeah, they also know they will be thrown under the bus for daring to own a business and make a buck, Bernie scares all the dems with an 8th grade of above education, as he should.

If Bernie were to exercise some brain cells his best bet would be to run as an independent. he has to know the establishment is not going to allow him the nomination, maybe he really doesn't want to be president after all.

 

Even an alter boy at a mental institution in Philadelphia is right every now and then.

 

there is no path to victory as an independent , only condemnation and outrage for spoiling 2020.

am I wrong?

 

I think the problem is with the entire DNC, not just its lackluster candidates.

 

No. But I have 3 cats, a horse, 2 snakes, a lizard, some fish and the wife and I feed 3 stray cats out side. I'd hate to have to eat them.

 

No, you are right. But there is not path to victory for him as a democrat either. If you are a democrat and you have a 401K and or you have a job, have dependents that rely on you, own a business, or pay taxes, then you would be certifiably insane if you voted for Bernie.

 

It would be an interesting matchup. If nothing else, Sanders is an honest guy. He has some dumb ideas, but you know where he stands and what he thinks and you can believe the words coming out of his mouth.

The contrast between honest Sanders and Chronic-Liar Trump would be interesting to see. I doubt it would be enough to get Sanders elected, but it would still be interesting to see.

 

It appears the DNC was getting really nervous about Sanders, and thus threw a wrench in the Iowa primaries

 

See, that's wrong. The media is a business. The idea of a press is important to democracy, but the execution of it in our country as private for-profit businesses, many of which are owned by extremely large monied interests is anything but. The media will sell what it thinks people will buy because at the end of the day, that's what their product is. Information. They don't exist because we need them, they exist because we pay them.

And I think people tend to have rose colored vision for the "legacy press" as being impartial. I've read news and magazine articles and those people a century ago were just as opinionated and just as vicious as they are now. We just live in an era of 24 hour cable news and 24 hour internet. We can see everything that's being said, and in case we missed something, there are news aggregators, bloggers, social media and social media groups, forums, and websites where people are going to tell us what we missed and how to think about it.

 

I believe you will be surprised at how much people hate trump to vote for anyone that isn’t him. In 2016 many people voted for trump that normally wouldn’t because they hated hillary (myself included) and many more stayed home because they saw hillary and trump as “the same” or because of what the DNC did to Sanders.

If I was a betting man I would wager the above trend will not stand in 2020.
trump has gone from a 43% disapproval rating on inauguration day to 52% disapproval rating today.
He won the electoral college by less than 80,000 votes.

Sanders is no more a socialist than presidents that enacted a public infrastructure acts including highways or leaders that pushed for Social Security or medical care for our elderly and poor. All programs that have high levels of approval.

Also, democratic socialist ≠ socialist — they are two entirely different terms. Like democracy ≠ democratic republic.

 

If a socialist wins the nomination they become the Socialist Party of America and millions and millions of people will stay home and never return...

 

Factchecker wouldn't like that statement, you are cherry picking only the close states, for example he won Texas by 800K votes alone, hell in South Dakota alone he won by 110K votes and there were only 345K votes total.

I won't take the time (because its pointless) but feel free add up the totals in every state he won, that's the real #.

 

Ok, after re-thinking my question I understand what I was missing, a momentary lapse.

Whats funny is that I would have voted for Bern in 16 vs going 3rd party, but boy oh boy would I have regretted that decision. I know a lot more about him now than I did 3 years ago, and there is no way I'd vote for him in 2020.

 

When they tell you about that 80,000 votes, they leave out the fact it represents a a swing of about 300,000 votes.

 

If trump had lost a combined 80k across three states (PA, MI, WI) he would have lost the electoral college. I am not sure what you are taking issue with on this fact?

I agree that it is pointless, because you are incorrect if you believe otherwise.
Feel free to show me a “fact checker” that disagrees however.

 

No, it represents a loss of 80,000 votes (79,646 to be exact) — or 40,000 if they had voted for the witch queen.

Basic math shouldn’t be this hard for people with even a primary education...

 

Indeed -- thus I don't know why you don't understand the SWING on those states is not represented by the total margin of victory, and why the swing in the votes tells a much greater story than said margin
I -do- understand why you want to ignore and/or minimize this.

I -was- wrong , however:
The swing in MI PA and WI totals ~1,050,000 votes
Add OH, and it's ~1,663,000 votes

 

we can agree to disagree, you know exactly what I mean.
Its selective stats choosing only 3 specific states just to bring up a talking point, he won 30 states.
but hey,,, whatever makes the dem's feel better about the loss.

My guy took 3rd place, so I didn't lose sleep over it, but duly noted: Johson was only 116K votes away from winning Alaska!

 

No, I do not know what you mean. If you are disagreeing with easily verifiable fact... ok...

How many states he won and the margin he won them by had he lost those three states is completely irrelevant.

Facts are facts, they seem to be upsetting you.
I hated both of them, the candidate I voted for won... So I am not sure where you are going with this?

Ok... noted?

 

Don't do it, Kerry. They will swiftboat you again. If Bisen falters, Bloomberg stands a great chance.