Jon Bonet Ramsey case - any opinions?

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  1. Hummingbird

    Hummingbird Well-Known Member

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    I do too. And the weapon was the flashlight b/c all the prints were wiped off it, even taking the batteries out and wiping them clean. Burke had hit JonBenet b/f w/a golf club, according to a family friend and Patsy told her Burke had a bad temper........

    Instead of getting him the help he needed, they protected him even more by allowing him to get by w/this.....

    And 20 yrs later he's smirking about it..
     
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    I believe it wasn't an intentional slaying. But i believe the Ramseys covered it up to maintain image. After all they were a prominent family and they can't have word getting out about their son needing a little help. That would embarrass them.
     
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    Either way, something ugly happened in that house and it wasn't caused by a kidnapper but, I really believe by a 9 yr old mentally disturbed boy, seriously lacking in human emotions.....

    The Ramseys paid so much attention to their 6 yr old daughter, wanting to create their own miniature beauty queen who knew how to act sexy and I think that disturbed boy got lost in the shadow of his glorified kid sister and she had to pay the price for her parents stupidity and neglect....and by neglect, I mean both their children's mental health.....
     
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    That makes sense. I am definitely convinced that it was either the brother or the mother. Anyways, even if they weren't convicted, I'm sure the parents did suffer a lot because (if it was one of the parents), I don't think she was killed purposefully. I can't say the same for the brother though. He actually seems rather "happy" about Jonbenet's death. How he smiled during the interview was just . . . sickening. I understand that some people are socially dysfunctional, but still, that was really weird.
     
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    Oh yeah, I think the parents suffered tremendously, no doubt about it, even if it had been one of them that had accidentally killed her b/c it was an accident. Suddenly their beloved daughter was dead, a child they loved and were so proud of....but in my opinion, so proud of her in the wrong way - they were the parents of Boulder's little beauty queen, putting them in the city;'s high society spotlight....a lifestyle that I think is so unhealthy for a little girl and to much of a burden on her. Not to mention, it robs her of her innocence and childhood.....

    A childhood friend of JB's said her br was full of beauty pageantry stuff and crowns on display and told her friend that the crowns 'really belong to my mother' That statement says a lot, coming from a 6 yr old child.

    Meanwhile down the hall lays a 9 yr old boy, whom Patsy had told a friend that he would spread his feces around his sister's br, and hitting her w/a golf club and who knows what else he had done to her that Patsy hadn't admitted to? But no bells & whistles were going off in the Ramseys heads that something was seriously wrong in their house.......

    If one of my kids had done that feces thing to his/her sibling, that would have scared me, wondering why my child's mind was sinking down into such a very dark area to cause misery to his/her sibling.

    I don't care what any child psychologist says - that's not sibling rivalry. It goes a lot deeper than that and it's not normal......
     
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    Getting away from the murder part for a moment, I do not think this is very healthy for any child. I would never want to present my child as a "sex symbol" type. There are WAY too many weirdos around. In most of the pictures, they have her dressed like a Las Vegas show girl.

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    Exactly! This stuff makes my skin crawl, seeing little girls being taught how to display themselves as sex symbols. Just looking at these pix, you can see the hours devoted to making the child up, teaching her how to walk, strut, wiggle and everything else required of them to win the crown that her momma wants. And out of these kiddie pageants rises young girls grow up vain and shallow...."look at me and how beautiful I am...' that's the only thing they learn and more often than not, those little beauty queens grow up friendless.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is one area where being a Catholic pays huge dividends.Especially
    sending a child to Parochial School.Where Virtue is or used to be drilled into
    every student by the nuns like a airjack hammer.Never lie.Always tell the
    truth.Respect your elders.Do not question authority.And maintain humility.
    That Vanity turns into sin rather fast.Do not Admire your Body or face.
    Look your best at all times but do not admire yourself.That is Vanity.
    Others can admire you for your Virtue {s}.But admiring one solely based on
    appearance is Vanity.That is why Nuns take a vow of Poverty and also Chastity
    and Obedience.That is why Nuns are also very clean yet simple in appearance.
    What these Tot Pageants do is teach the worst side of Mankind.That Beauty
    is a thing to reward and possibly glorify oneself over.
    It is a very vain,selfish and short-sighted approach to the Human Condition.
    God is never gonna ask one how pretty they looked or how big a house
    or fancy a job title.
     
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    It shouldn't be up to the nuns or teachers in general to teach children about humility, modesty, etc.....that should be the responsibility of the parents.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I take it you don't think that The Ramsey's,as Parents,were entirely guilty
    of Inspiring daughter Jon Benet into Beauty Pageants.BTW ... do Child
    Beauty Pageants evoke Virtue.What exact Virtue would that be.?
     
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    Hummingbird Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about?
     
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    My concern is not with their modesty or if they are conceited. My concern is with their safety. I don't think that sexualizing little girls is a very good idea. I don't think there is anything wrong with little girls thinking they are pretty though. It's no worse than going through life thinking you are ugly, I suppose. I would rather my child have good self esteem than poor self esteem.

    I was in cheerleading, dance and gymnastics when I was a kid, and while some of our costumes were skimpy, I did not feel as though they making us as "sexy" as possible such as in the case of some of these beauty pageants.

    I also think that most kids that age would much rather be playing outside with their friends. Even when I was older, I remember being kind of mad when my mother would call me in to get ready to go to a recital or to cheerleading practice. I wanted to stay and play with my friends. Once I got there, it wasn't so bad though, but we were being active and not just striking a pose, so there is a difference between regular activities like dancing, cheerleading and gymnastics than beauty pageantry.
     
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    VERY big difference. Cheerleading, dance and gymnastics is not sexualizing the child and it's not cut-throat competition against other girls about who's the 'prettiest'....

    Yes, safety sure does play a very big part b/c of the pedophiles out there and these kiddie pageants are a magnet for the sickos.

    For little girls to think they're pretty is healthy for them, good for their self-esteem, but the constant focus on their prettiness is what will eventually destroy them as a person. I raised 2 daughters - a pretty brunette and blond. I'll never forget one incident w/my blond daughter. She was 15-16 when a g/f came over and they were in the LR, talking about boys. I was in the next room and could hear them, Her friend mentioned one of their classmates and said 'he's not very good looking" - my daughter said "well, maybe not, but he sure is a nice guy". After her friend left, I gave her a hug, saying "I am so proud of you" and told her I heard her answer about the 'not so good looking' guy and to never lose that quality of kindness b/c that is what makes people want to be w/her.....

    Some of the people I've known and so hung up on attractive physical looks is just downright sad........
     

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