Just how intelligent are Trump supporters?

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  1. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Prior to Trump's renegotiations of trade pacts, goods from the United States had an average of 15% duties and tariffs in European countries. Goods from Europe had an average of 7 to 8% tariffs and duties coming into the United States. The steep tariffs you are referring to is that Trump is pushing for equal tariffs and duties from the United States as goods from Europe entering our country. This could mean Europe lowers their tariffs to 7 or 8% or we raise our tariff to 15%. Trump has also offered to eliminate all tariffs and duties altogether. So if you believe no tariffs at all are steep, then I am not sure how one could lower them. An even playing field has been the only thing Trump has been asking for. I am not sure why individuals are so averse to eliminating penalties on American businesses. Is there an anti-prosperity group out there?

    And let us also examine the use of the term 'our friends and allies'. I find the term rather dubious. If you have to pay someone to be your friend, (in this case by doubling of tariffs on our products) then are they really your friend? Friendship is based upon, among other things, a certain amount of fairness and reciprocity. The flap over tariffs is merely pointing out who are true friends are and who is our friend only when we pay them.

    We have been hearing about the impending economic disaster for two solid years from the same media sources which spent an inordinate amount of time these last two years pitching Russian collusion, which we all should know was simply a mirage. For two years while the easily mislead media has been predicting an economic disaster, the economy has been skyrocketing. I work in a precursor industry and if we are busy, we know the economy will be exceptional in the next six to nine months. Last week I turned down about two thirds of the jobs people asked me to do because I cannot process that much work without finding more highly skilled people. No, there is no cliff we are going over any time soon. If anything, the economy is picking up momentum.
     
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    Trump supporters were smart enough to see through the Russian hoax
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm 138-145 and I support Trump.

    I find most liberals are far more interested in the Kardashians than current events. They top out in the low 90's.
     
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    If he wants to stem illegal immigration maybe he should start by not hiring them at his own properties. All of Trump's hotels and his mansions, as well as Trump Tower all employ illegals as kitchen and house keeping workers. His buildings have been raided by ICE more than once.
     
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    You're a very generous man.
     
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    Just how intelligent are Trump supporters?

    Yet another troll/flamebait - fallacious gibberish thread. Just because someone supports Trump does not mean they support all of his policies nor does the fact that Trump might have some dumb policies - make his supporters unintelligent. Non Sequitur.

    Just how intelligent are Obama Supporters ? When Obama was arming and supporting Al Qaeda and others groups of the same ilk in Syria ?

    How intelligent is it to support and arm the 911 terrorist group - with sophisticated military technology - such as surface to air missiles (manpads) ideal for taking out civilian aircraft ?

    It is difficult to find anything Trump has done that is quite this stupid would you not say ?
     
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    Just how intelligent are Trump supporters?

    The boy who cried wolf!

    Of course, Trump isn't going to close the border next week. The idiot realizes that the repercussions would be catastrophic. Even he knows that would change Republican districts along the border in Texas, Arizona, and California into Democratic districts. Of course, a sixth grader knows that, too. It's not rocket science.

    Even the Trump fan above knows it. He says it is merely a "negotiation tactic."

    That's right, and therein lies the problem. Trump has made a career of meaningless "negotiation tactics." He threaten Kim Jong Un with "fire and fury." He threatened to destroy North Korea. He even said he was moving a CBG into position to accomplish that feat.

    He has threatened our EU friends, Canada, and Mexico with trade wars.

    Trump threatened to impose a 25% tariff on $250B of Chinese goods on January 1. That hasn't happened.

    Trump has threatened a few times to close the southern border. This threat is no different. Next week will come and go, and by then Trump will have moved on to a different controversy. Perhaps he will threaten to invade Canada because of their restrictions on Wisconsin's dairy products.

    That's the problem, two problems actually.

    First, nations don't respond well to threats. They generally respond with threats of their own. As a negotiation tool, threats encourage hostility, not agreements. After two years, Trump has yet to learn that simple fact.

    Then there is "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" principle. Trump has made so many threats they have become meaningless. No reasonable person, certainly no foreign adversary, believes him.

    Do you sincerely believe Trump will close the southern border next week?

    Don't answer to me. Answer to yourself. Do you think the Mexican president believes him?

    So much for Trump's negotiation tactics.

    BTW, in over two years the Great Negotiator has yet to create a major trade agreement. But that topic is for a different thread. Just making a point.
     
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    What in the world are you talking about? What part of "closing the border" do you not understand?
     
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    Looking at the crisis that is happening on the border that even Obama's DHS, Jeh Johnson recognizes, what would you do?
     
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    Did you read what I wrote?

    The economic impact would be enormous. The San Ysidro crossing is the biggest passenger land port in the Western hemisphere -- closing it alone would be hugely disruptive. Every day, an average of 120,000 commuter vehicles, 6,000 trucks and 63,000 pedestrians use the border gateway, many to go to and from their jobs in the U.S.

    Sealing the entire border between the countries, meanwhile, would cause economic chaos. In 2017, about $558 billion in goods flowed across the U.S.- Mexico border in both directions, making Mexico our third-biggest trading partner for goods behind Canada and China. U.S. goods exported to Mexico totaled $243.3 billion, while trade in services accounted for another $58 billion.

    How did Trump's supporters in Michigan react to Trump's strident declaration that foretold of economic chaos? They cheered mightily.

    Trump yelled out at the crowd of cheering admirers, "I am not kidding around."

    They cheered enthusiastically again at the impending economic doom
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    Flamebait? Are you saying that didn't happen? Are you saying the crowd did not cheer Trump's announcement?

    I watched them cheer Trump's announcement. Is writing the truth about Trump supporters now flamebaiting? Are you ashamed of what Trump supporters do sometimes?

    Troll? Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am a 75 year old Marine officer and a moderate conservative living in the beautiful climes of Southern California.

    I am happy to hear, "Just because someone supports Trump does not mean they support all of his policies nor does the fact that Trump might have some dumb policies - make his supporters unintelligent."

    Unfortunately, those are just words that don't have justification. For example, no one, including yourself, has questioned Trump's decision on this thread. I am trying to remember the last time a Trump supporter questioned a Trump decision or statement. I am not having much luck. Can you help me out?

    Just saying it doesn't make it true.
     
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    I didn't figure he meant closing it to commercial traffic.
     
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    According to a study performed in 2012, republicans were better informed than democrats or independents.
     
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    You are entirely wrong on this. Republicans are not about free trade. Where have you ever got that idea?
     
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    Sure they are.
     
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    The study was conclusive.
     
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    And here, Sandy Shanks, is an example of Trumps followers' intelligence

    Apparently many of his followers have been duped into thinking that Trump is a great deal maker. Fox News doesn't show the clips of him being moronic.

    Think about it. Trump thinks that forest fires can be prevented by raking forests. And his followers look up to him.
     
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    Sure it was.
     
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    Sandy Shanks, this is why Republicans aren't for free trade. They are isolationists. I know we are supposed to pretend that racism doesn't play in conservative motivations, but in this case, it is quite obvious. Isolationists who hold deep seated prejudices against people from south of the border, and what do you expect?

     
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    Nine questions on current events and more republicans answered each question correctly than either democrats or independents. You can't get any more conclusive than that.
     
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    That's stupid. I'm a conservative. I'm for free trade. But if we aren't being dealt with fairly then it is obvious that retaliation is in order. And wanting to control who crosses your borders is not isolationist or racist.
     
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    Hey Einstein..............what "race" are these people from "south of the border"? How does race play into this?



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    Uhhh yeah and he got NK and SK to the table for the first time in over 60 years with that tactic.

    And what happened? Canada decreased tariffs on goods coming into their country while we increased them. Mexico and Canada BOTH have renegotiated NAFTA to our benefit.

    Of course it hasn't happened, because the Chinese capitulated lol They've brought sanctions on NK, they've started cracking down on knock-off products. They've eased tariffs of goods coming into their country. His negotiation tactics WORK. He's accomplished more in 2 years than the past 6 presidents COMBINED.

    Yeah... he did. You're obviously just not paying attention.
     
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    That's because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Trump is pulling us out of every conflict we've been in INCLUDING the Korean war.

    He secured the release of 19 people, 16 americans from foreign captivity.

    Manufacturing jobs have increased at an exponentially faster rate than prior presidents (after Obama told us it was impossible btw) all because of Trump negotiating with businesses to bring jobs back to the USA. I'll be happy to get you a list if you'd like.

    He actually ENFORCED Obama's red-line against Syria... not once, but TWICE. Showing that feckless coward how it's done.

    He's moved the embassy to Jerusalem, something the last three presidents promised to do and didn't.

    He withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal and started strengthening ties with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    Trump has also taken a surprisingly tough line with Russia. He approved a massive arms and aid package for Ukraine, expelled 60 Russian diplomats and authorized new sanctions against Moscow at least four times for: (1) interfering in U.S. elections, (2) violating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, (3) launching a chemical-weapon attack against a Russian national in Britain and (4) violating North Korea sanctions. And the Trump administration recently warned russia that it would face “total economic isolation” if Moscow backed the Assad regime’s assault in Idlib.

    Strengthened NATO by negotiating with allies to put in BILLIONS more to fund the group.

    He declared war on the International Criminal Court, which purports to have jurisdiction over U.S. soldiers and citizens even though America is not a signatory to the treaty creating the ICC.

    I can list more if you'd like. In fact I could go on and on and on and on and on.

    Please educate yourself and stop watching liberal news
     
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    One of the hallmarks of conservativism is not understanding the consequences of their rash actions. Remember that it was the conservatives in the UK who voted for Brexit. Now their economy is about to tank.
     
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    Their economy is about to tank because they've become the "country on the dole" since World War II..........and aligning themselves with the EU did nothing but make them another welfare state outlier. Europe has plenty of issues but Brexit isn't the reason for collapse of GB's economy. :roflol:
     
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