Just remember, all of this unfair, unconsitutional stuff the left is doing

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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    How do you know? I see them doing something that they best do by the books or face at best dismissal.

    I see them doing something that they best do by the books or face at best dismissal.
    The Republicans were invited to join and they purposely put up people likely to be objects of the investigation. That was an extremely cynical thing to do and frankly, shame on them. It was the equivalent of demanding that the defendant's mother and close friends should be on a jury.

    Not after he is no longer president. Furthermore, had he declassified these documents prior to his depart, you should be horrified by his actions.
    This you'll have to explain to me as I have absolutely no idea what you are suggesting.
     
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    No. Because I read post #42, and because in my mind if you can't tell the difference between a House select committee hearing and a judicial trial, something went seriously wrong with your middle school and high school education. The due process clause and all it entails, is constitutionally required in one, but not the other, and they are completely separate branches of the govt.

    Actually I was advanced enough to figure this out in 5th grade.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Try to keep up .... you.....once again.... are wrong...
     
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    So, No evidence supporting your assertion that the FBI went by the book, or that the regularly even use it. And because the attack on a presidential home hasn't ever happened, what book do you suppose they used then?

    The Republicans were not invited, and in fact those, like Jim Jordan, who volunteered were not allowed to join. Gosh, that seems fair..

    The then president said he declassified the whole of crossfire hurricane. All of it, while in office. do you dispute this?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    So, in your early formative years, you figured out that the political majority could produce and televise a kangaroo court.. gotcha...

    You do realize that in any process that involves consequential jeopardy, that all of the rights and privileges must be respected, which is why, again, you can be held in contempt, for example. But sure, you learnt it...
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     
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    So, no evidence supporting your assertion that the FBI didn't go by the book. They got a judge to sign the warrant, what have you got?
    And yes, the Republicans were invited but just offered their worst who would have without any doubt would have disrupted the hearings at best and also some who are subjects of investigations by the committee.
     
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    So, no evidence the FBI did go by the book. They have misled judges before. The current one has direct ties to Jeffrey Epstein, and lots of other unsavory things... You have no response to how Pelosi abused her office to exclude republicans that didn't already agree with her, hence the shyte show of Liz and Kitz... What a mess they've made.

    January can't come soon enough. And since you seem to be all in on the abuse of office now, I expect if republicans go a little off the reservation too that you'll defend them exactly like this...
     
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    Given that the Bill Of Rights and constitutional governance no longer exist, that the government demands people take toxic serums for a condition with a 99% survival rate, that many billions of tax dollars have been sent Ukrainian Nazis only to be laundered in favor of Grifters Biden and other members of government, we've been going backwards for quite some time, in reverse with the pedal to the metal. :thumbsdown:
     
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    The discussion was about the president’s, Trump or any other, ability to unilaterally declassify information. I made no accusation or claim that he held documents related to the US’s nuclear weapons program at his home.

    At this point I have explained why you’re wrong. Multiple times.

    Your continued insistence that I said something different only serves to stand as a wailing siren pointing towards your failure to comprehend. Do you not feel embarrassed right now? Do you have the capacity to feel embarrassed? I don’t know.
     
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    Yes, but the committee you are referring to , itself does not have any authority to deprive anyone of life, liberty or property, even it it decides to hold someone in contempt. Either it refers the matter to the justice Department for prosecution ( due process provided) or it can be sue you in district courts ( due process provided) or even if it employs its inherent power of contempt (which has not happened in a century) it is referred to the bar of Congress for trial ( due process provided). One way or another, the select committee on Jan 6 is not required to provide any due process because it does not function as a court that endangers life, liberty or property. . It just refers the matter to another body which is obliged to provide it in the course of its process and proceedings. That 'consequential jeopardy' comes into play later . There is a reason that 'holding space in the basement' hasn't been used in since the mid 1800's.

    The only SCOTUS caselaw finding with regard to investigative congressional committees and any due process breach, involves clarity of the subject matter and a definitive scope of inquiry so that witnesses testifying can know the boundaries of the inquiry.

    Anytime you talk about an investigative committee being a kangaroo court, you show yourself to be ignorant. Its a kangaroo investigative committee at best.
     
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    Yeah, sure they don't... except they can inprison you for contempt, have the FBI show up and assault your residence, etc... or did you forget that part? The rest? fluff. Marketing. Don't ignore the kernel of truth here. These folks are actively abusing the laws and their offices. Folks aren't going to forget.
     
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    No the select committee to which you refer can't do anything. It can't even detain you without providing you due process under the same basic guidelines as your local police department. The FBI does not act without the justice department receiving the House citation of contempt and deciding whether or not to act. And that FBI is obliged to obey the same rules of due process as it would with a court warrant.
     
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    Actually you did...."" declassified every thing pertaining to America’s nuclear weapons programs?"" These are your words.

     
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    Well except for the signed warrant.
     
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    Thank you for confirming that 1) Your comprehensive capacities have been exceeded by the conversation at hand, and 2) That you lack the capacity to feel embarrassed by your own actions.

    That’ll do. Thanks.
     
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    LOL.. So nancy calls Merrick, and the goons show up. It seems pretty clear.
     
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    There was a signed warrant in Carter Page's case as well. Or did you forget that?
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Its not clear. The Speaking of the House making a phone call to the Attorney General is not a due process violation. 'The goons' showing up is not a due process violation.
     
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    You can demonstrate that is the case?
     
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    So that invalidates all future warrants?
     
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    Ah, so you do at least admit that the FBI have some track record relating to these proceedings then.
     
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    Well, at least you're on record here..
     
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    Are you really sure that you want this hypothesis tested?
     

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