Kherson offensive?

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  1. flyboy56

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    All in good time.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    I notice you like to say "you lost" but don't actually say the issue that you think I've "lost."
     
  4. Jack Hays

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    You demonstrated a lack of historical understanding regarding the Monroe Doctrine, and made false claims about my posts. (And I enjoy quoting James Coburn's devastating line.)
    You lost.

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    Are you a parrot repeating the same phrase all the time?
     
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    The truth doesn't change even if our paid trolls wish it would.
     
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  7. Lil Mike

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    Yet I enjoy posting images of your actual posts proving you said what you said.

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    In any case, Merry Christmas.
     
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  8. Jack Hays

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    Every time you do, you make my point and refute yourself.
    Merry Christmas.
    You lost.

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    Ukraine Conflict Updates
    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 24

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    Key Takeaways

    • Russian forces will likely struggle to maintain the pace of their offensive operations in the Bakhmut area and may seek to initiate a tactical or operational pause.
    • Russian siloviki may be setting information conditions to justify the nationalization of oligarchs' resources to sponsor Russia’s war effort.
    • Ukrainian intelligence continues to suggest that the Russian military is not following proper command structures or procedures.
    • Russian forces continued to conduct limited counterattacks to regain lost positions along the Kreminna-Svatove line.
    • Russian forces continued to conduct offensive operations around Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
    • Russian SPETSNAZ are likely reconnoitering the Dnipro River delta to study Ukrainian defenses in right bank Kherson Oblast.
    • Russian forces struck a residential area of Kherson City with a Grad multiple launch rocket system, killing at least 10 and injuring 55.
    • The Russian Orthodox Church — a Kremlin-affiliated institution — asked the Kremlin for a mobilization exemption for its clergy, despite avidly supporting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine.
    • Russian officials are planning to take children from Horlivka, Donetsk to Belarus, possibly as a scheme to deport Ukrainian children.
    • ISW introduced a new section in the update to track daily observed indicators and counter-indicators consistent with the current assessed most dangerous course of action – a Russian invasion of Ukraine from Belarus. . . .
    Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian rear areas on December 24. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces struck Polovynkyne, Luhansk Oblast (56km southeast of Svatove) with HIMARS rockets.[21] Social media sources posted footage indicating that Ukrainian forces reportedly struck an unspecified warehouse in Polovynkyne.[22] . . .

    Ukrainian forces likely conducted a drone attack against targets in Crimea on December 24. Video posted in the early morning of December 24 reportedly shows an explosion from a Ukrainian drone attacking an oil refinery in Nyzhniohirskyi Raion in Crimea.[44] A prominent Kremlin-linked milblogger reported that Ukrainian forces launched seven Chinese-made Mugin-5 drones from the Odesa International Airport to hit targets in Crimea in the early morning of December 24.[45] This account claims that Russian air defenses shot down all seven drones: five drones over the Karkinit Bay and two over Crimea as the drones approached targets near the oil refinery in Nyzhniohirskyi Raion and the Tavricheska Thermal Power Plant near Simferopol. It is unclear if Russian forces shot down the drone near the oil refinery as the milblogger reported given the ambiguous video of an explosion.[46] . . .

    Ukrainian military officials reported that Russian casualties are continuing to overload the medical system in occupied Ukraine. Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported that many Russian personnel die waiting for medical assistance due to lack of specialists, necessary medical equipment, and medicine.[53] Malyar added that Russian forces are also installing metal bars on the windows of hospitals to prevent Russian servicemen with light wounds from deserting from the Russian Armed Forces.[54] The Russian MoD had previously claimed that 92% of deaths among Russian forces occur as a result of lack of first aid medical attention; however, ISW cannot independently verify this assessment.[55] . . .
     
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    One has to admire the way you dismiss your own words, shown over and over again, and still declare victory.

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  11. Jack Hays

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    It is apparent that you never understood my words. The concept of collective defense, as embodied in the Monroe Doctrine, is quite different from a collective defense pact. Your confusion on that point has extended the life of this exchange well beyond the point of diminishing returns. And that is why . . .
    You lost.

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    Hey jack, you made a fool of yourself. Get over it.
     
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    There is no opinion I value less.
     
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    Ukraine Conflict Updates
    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 26

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    Key Takeaways

    • Russian President Vladimir Putin did not offer to negotiate with Ukraine on December 25 contrary to some reporting.
    • Putin is likely concerned over the lack of support for his war in Ukraine among elites and may be setting information conditions for the nationalization of their property.
    • Ukrainian intelligence reported that a Wagner Group-linked Russian officer was appointed commander of the Russian Western Military District (WMD).
    • Ukrainian strikes on legitimate military targets far in the Russian rear continue to be points of neuralgia for the Russian milblogger community.
    • Russian and Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
    • Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian troops are fighting near Kreminna.
    • Russian sources claimed that Russian forces made limited gains northeast of Bakhmut.
    • Russian forces continued ground attacks on the western outskirts of Donetsk City.
    • Ukrainian military officials indicated that Russian forces may be concentrating some unspecified forces for offensive or demonstration operations in Zaporizhia Oblast and that Russian forces are attempting to conduct small-scale reconnaissance-in-force operations to reach right-bank Kherson Oblast.
    • Russian officials and nationalists began to criticize the Kremlin’s lenient migration and passportization policies for Central Asian migrants.
    • Russia is continuing efforts to consolidate control of occupied territories in Ukraine through the manipulation of citizenship procedures. . . .
    Ukrainian troops continued to strike Russian concentration areas in rear areas of Luhansk Oblast. The Ukrainian General Staff confirmed on December 26 that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian manpower concentration near Polovynkyne, a settlement on the southern outskirts of Starobilsk and along the H21 Starobilsk-Luhansk City highway.[28] Russian sources additionally claimed that Ukrainian artillery strikes hit Rubizhne (just southeast of Kreminna) and Shchastia (20km north of Luhansk City) on December 25.[29] . . .

    Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian targets in southern Ukraine. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces struck Russian headquarters in Zabaryne (approximately 30km southwest of Kherson City) during a meeting of Southern Military District (SMD) officers.[48] The strike reportedly injured up to 70 Russian servicemen. The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that a Ukrainian strike on an unnamed location in occupied Kherson Oblast killed up to 50 Russian servicemen and wounded up to 100 troops.[49] Ukrainian local officials and social media users also reported that Ukrainian forces struck Russian military equipment in Oleshky and Chaplynka, 10km and 67km southeast of Kherson City respectively.[50] . . .
     
  15. Lil Mike

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    I understood your words, you simply made up your own interpretation of President Monroe's policy, and made up your own doctrine because you wanted to pretend that Monroe was a modern day neocon. And instead of admitting your error, you've double downed on it to my amusement.
     
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    Ukrainian forces ‘closing in’ on strategic city of Kreminna
     
  17. Jack Hays

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    "Neocon" is another word I never used. Do you think it has a connection to collective defense?
    I cited contemporaneous accounts to support my view. You have cited yourself.
    You lost.

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    Ukraine Conflict Updates
    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 27

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    Key Takeaways

    • Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that the Kremlin will continue to pursue a military solution to the war until the US accepts its demands and forces Ukraine to do the same.
    • Lavrov stated that Russia is unable to work on any agreements with the West due to its supposed provocative actions.
    • The Kremlin will likely continue information operations to seek to compel the West to offer preemptive concessions and pressure Ukraine to negotiate.
    • The Kremlin is increasingly integrating select milbloggers into its information campaigns, likely in an effort to regain a dominant narrative within the information space.
    • Ukrainian forces have likely made more gains in northeast Ukraine than ISW has previously assessed.
    • Russian forces may be nearing culmination in the Bakhmut area amid continuing Russian offensive operations there and in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area.
    • Russian forces are maintaining their fortification efforts in southern Ukraine.
    • The Kremlin is continuing its efforts to publicly punish deserters and saboteurs.
    • Russian officials are intensifying efforts to deport children from occupied territories to Russia. . . . .
    Ukrainian forces have likely made larger gains in northeast Ukraine than ISW has previously assessed. Kharkiv Oblast Administration Head Oleh Synehubov stated on December 27 that Russian forces occupy 1.6 percent of Kharkiv Oblast.[25] ISW’s control of terrain assessment as of December 26 had Russian forces occupying about 1.747 percent of Kharkiv Oblast (a difference of about 46 square kilometers). Ukrainian forces likely captured Dvorichna, Novomlynsk, and Tavilzhanka in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast and Kolomiychikha in Luhansk Oblast given that both Russian and Ukrainian sources reported Russian shelling against these settlements on December 27.[26] ISW has updated its maps accordingly. . . . .

    Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian rear areas. Ukrainian social media sources reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian base with mobilized men in Tytove (approximately 75km west of Mariupol.[51] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that a Ukrainian strike on December 25 killed and wounded up to 100 Russian servicemen, 15 of whom were personnel from the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), near Novobilozerivka (approximately 57km northwest of Melitopol).[52] . . . .
     
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    Why would you imagine that collective defense has anything to do with being a neocon?
     
  20. Lil Mike

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    Sorry, no history records it being a "collective defense of newly independent former colonies against their former masters."

    You're just wrong. Entertainingly wrong, but still wrong.
     
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    It doesn't really. Hayes, as a neocon, is the type to look for any opportunity to pretend there is a treaty with other nations to have a "collective defense" which is how he imagines the Monroe Doctrine. Is that what you think the Monroe Doctrine is, "collective defense of newly independent former colonies against their former masters?"
     
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    I agree with his quoted words, but not your Kremlinesque interpretation of them or the "neocon" label you've chosen to apply (which you admit does not really apply).
     
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    Well that only means you are as factually and historically incorrect as he is.
     
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    If you say so.
     
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    Berlin Won’t Allow Exports of German Tanks to Ukraine Unless U.S. Sends Its Own
    Wed, January 18, 2023 at 3:06 PM CST

    BERLIN—Germany won’t allow allies to ship German-made tanks to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia nor send its own systems unless the U.S. agrees to send American-made battle tanks, senior German officials said on Wednesday.

    North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies have over 2,000 German-made Leopard tanks, considered to be among the most sophisticated in the world, according to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.

    Several European governments have said they are ready to send German-made tanks to Ukraine, including Poland, Finland and Denmark, if they get approval from Berlin, though none has made a formal request. Britain has said it would send 14 of its Challenger 2 main battle tanks, an older equivalent to the Leopard.

    ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/berlin...u-s-sends-own-tanks-officials-say-11674069352

    The Germans continue to disappoint. Why make the US send more problematic Abrams tanks to Ukraine before they will send or authorize sending Leopard 2s to Ukraine? Why are they evidently so afraid of Russia even now?
     

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