KUWAITI WRITER -"ISRAEL IS A LEGITIMATE STATE, NOT AN OCCUPIER; THERE WAS NO PALESTINE"

If you go with your statistics that's half. And those Jews were deported from those Arab nations where they were poorly treated and given full citizenship in Israel.

But that's a meaningless stat. The majority of US citizens are descended from Europe - so what ?? What's the significance ?? What point are you attempting to make ??

 

Its refutes the lie that most of Israel are immigrants / colonialist from Europe, when in fact, most are from the region or neighboring arab muslim countries from which they were ethnically cleansed from.

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-arabs-in-palestine

As late as 1880, the American consul in Jerusalem reported the area was continuing its historic decline. "The population and wealth of Palestine has not increased during the last forty years," he said.

The Report of the Palestine Royal Commission quotes an account of the Maritime Plain in 1913:

The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts...no orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached [the Jewish village of] Yabna [Yavne]....Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen....The ploughs used were of wood....The yields were very poor....The sanitary conditions in the village were horrible. Schools did not exist....The western part, towards the sea, was almost a desert....The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.

Lewis French, the British Director of Development wrote of Palestine:

We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria....Large areas...were uncultivated....The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots...changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin's lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the Bedouin.

Surprisingly, many people who were not sympathetic to the Zionist cause believed the Jews would improve the condition of Palestinian Arabs. For example, Dawood Barakat, editor of the Egyptian paper Al-Ahram, wrote: "It is absolutely necessary that an entente be made between the Zionists and Arabs, because the war of words can only do evil. The Zionists are necessary for the country: The money which they will bring, their knowledge and intelligence, and the industriousness which characterizes them will contribute without doubt to the regeneration of the country."

Even a leading Arab nationalist believed the return of the Jews to their homeland would help resuscitate the country. According to Sherif Hussein, the guardian of the Islamic Holy Places in Arabia:

The resources of the country are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants. One of the most amazing things until recent times was that the Palestinian used to leave his country, wandering over the high seas in every direction. His native soil could not retain a hold on him, though his ancestors had lived on it for 1000 years. At the same time we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, America. The cause of causes could not escape those who had a gift of deeper insight. They knew that the country was for its original sons (abna'ihilasliyin), for all their differences, a sacred and beloved homeland. The return of these exiles (jaliya) to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually [to be] an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and in all things connected with toil and labor.

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

 

What lie is that?? Why does that matter ?? Who cares where they come from ??

 

Nothing more idiotic than establishing a nation based upon what a mythological book suggests. Before wwii, today's Israel was muslim majority and had been for at least hundreds, if not thousands of years. The Israelis stole the land from the people who lived there in order to restablish the homeland of their own genocidal ancestors. And now we have this quagmire, where the mistake of Israel cannot be undone without huge human costs, but the Israelis continue to lack any kind of respect for the people whose lands they stole.

 

The truth doesn't change.. Sabeel along with many, many Arab Christians and Muslims opposed the founding of HAMAS, but Israel wanted it as a foil against the PA and Arafat. HAMAS, with Israeli support, recruited from the meanest and most impoverished of the refugee camps.

You are willfully blind to any and all responsibility on the part of Israel.

 

That's completely ridiculous.

 

No its true.. You are just not well informed.. Israelis have testified to this on C-Span.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ

www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
Jan 24, 2009 - Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago. ... The assault was aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from falling on Israel.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847

 

Israeli Derangement Syndrome. ^^ The UN declared the Palestine region (defined by the British Mandate of the early 1920's) Israel which then declared independence. A shooting war ensued between Israel and Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. Israel prevailed and accepted refugees from all Arab countries as citizens. Arab refugees who decided to leave Israel were not granted citizenship in the Arab countries they emigrated to. Had that citizenship been granted there would be no conflict today.

Source: "Israel - A Concise History of a Nation Reborn" - Daniel Gordis - 2016

 

We've been through this ridiculous assertion before. And it remains completely ridiculous and a perfect example of fake news.

 

Palestine was a province of Syria like Kuwait was a province of Iraq.

Of course the Arabs couldn't return after the war in 1948. Israel had burned over three hundred Arab villages and shot them if they tried to return.. They did the same thing in the Golan Heights.. destroying over 60 Druze villages.

 

Yes. Palestinians were poor.. but Hussein was angling for monarchies in Syria, Jordan and Iraq for his sons and himself.

 

I understand your denial... Israel helping to develop HAMAS was extremely stupid just like the consequences of funding the development of AQ to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Some people are honest and brave, others are not.

 

Some left and some remained. The ones that remained became citizens of Israel. The ones that left became refugees.

 

Israel developed hamas. ?? Hilarious. Keep the comedy coming.

 

Jews left the Arab world in waves in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.. with Yemeni Jews leaving in the early 1950s. By in large they were prosperous in the Arab countries.. and if not for the European Zionists they would still be there.

 

That’s absurd. They either came voluntarily (many had their wealth confiscated by the governments of the countries they left) or they were forced to leave.

 

Everytime there was an incident like the Lavon Affair or the Suez Crisis or the 1967 attack on Egypt more Arab Jews left the Arab world. There were still Jews in Libya in 1973. Don't you remember meeting them?

 

And your point would be ??

 

1) Israel primarily sent some money IIRC to start a political group that would compete with the terrorist PLO. They are not iran or KSA who sent troops, arms, training, etc to terrorist groups to mass murder people in large terror attacks.

2) how exactly does what Israel did or did not do exonerate the arab muslims for creating and maintaining a terrorist group?

hamas is a group of ARAB MUSLIMS, not f-cking Israelis. How does Israel sending some money suddenly provide total cover and protection for the 30+ years of mass murder by hamas? This is the same absolute GARBAGE from the pro-iran terror apologists, who think that because of something the US did 75 years ago gives iran carte blanche to do whatever monstrous deeds it wants - it is TOTAL F-CKING garbage.

As are you to facts.

 

KSA didn't fund HAMAS.. They have opposed HAMAS for years because the Israelis use them as an excuse NOT to make peace.

 

Actually, there is nothing more idiotic than lying on public internet forums.

The governing power at the time, either the UK or the UN, established the state of Israel.

Because they had ethnically cleansed the prior people living there. Because it is not published in the NYT does not mean it did not happen, leftist.

Can't steal land that was stolen from them.

No land was stolen, people uttering this lie/slogan will place them in a box where most informed people will just ignore them.

 

I'll give you five minutes to retract this lie before posting corrective links. I'd suggest you do so, or I will bury you in them.

 

Some people form the "jews were never forced out of 20 arab muslim countries" lying brigade; they want to claim that the pogroms and bombings against jews were just fiction.

 

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ

www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
Jan 24, 2009 - Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retiredIsraeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago. ... The assault was aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from falling on Israel.