Ky. mother had just stepped away when 5-year-old shot sister with gun he got as gift

I have heard of accidental discharge, but its wrong. Calling it an "accident" is like saying its bound to happen.
It only happens if you let it happen.
Dont let it happen and it wont, if you let it. YOU WERE NEGLEGENT.
The woman was neglegent for allowing a loaded gun within reach of a child.
She should go to jail.
As far as dry firing, you would have to sit there for hours on end for days on end dry firing a center fire weapon to cause damage.
Rimfire you may get firing pin contact at the edge of the chamber.

 

See, this all relates back to the "my child has a right to wear this shirt to school" thread.

STOP treating children as if they are adults, they are NOT!!! They are children and should be treated as such. That means such things as oh I don't know, not letting them have a gun at age 5 just because they loudly scream that they want one.

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Correct on all counts, but then again I'm only Ranger qualified ex military, what do I know about firearms? LOL

 

To me an accident is something that is not intentional.

I have no reason to think the mother intended for there to be a round in the chamber.


What is the legal age in Kentucky for holding a firearm?

 

Perhaps this is off topic, but wasn't it the parents job to teach their kids to be responsible?

 

Same reply to you as the the one above in post #78.

 

Political disagreements aside, guns are no joking matter when it comes to safe handling.
My father, a policeman and WWII combat vet sent me to a NRA safety course just as soon as I showed any interest in guns.
I was about 11. Then accompanied me to the range in town to shoot on the weekends.
Our guns stayed locked up when not at the range or going to the range.
His service revolver was totally off limits as was my parents bedroom, my mothers purse, his tools.
My parents tought me respect for who was the parent and who was the child.
My parents were not my friends, they were my parents. They did not raise a child, they rasied a man. Something that seems to be lacking in many parents today.

 

doesnt matter, the fact is a parent is there to monitor a childs actions, and common sense tells you that you dont leave your 5 year old alone with a gun or even a knife or anything that could be considered dangerous.

this is a case of a parent being an idiot and walking away and leaving their child alone with an object that is dangerous, its a set up for disaster. this is just as stupid as leaving your 5 year old alone near a pool unsupervised.

it is not a matter of how old a kid can be to hold a gun, or a knife, or a chainsaw, or anything. this is a matter of a stupid parent.

 

It matters since you are demanding that she be charged with a crime.

Or will you just make up the rules as you go along?

 

Do you own any firearms?
If you do, please take a safety course. Dont be "that guy".

 

what does this have to deo with a kid wearing a certain shirt? dont even start on that because thats just totally irrelevant and to be honest i can make a counter argument that will stop this part of the debate in its tracks.

secondly, many kids have gun of their own and get trained at an early age on how to handle them and such, but most parents arent dumb enough to leave their child alone with them loaded or not. gun, knife, and even a bike, you keep an eye on your kids because bad things can happen.

many kids are left unsupervised riding their bike get injured or killed by getting into the street and getting hit by cars, so should we ban bikes as well and put an age limit on them? or do we go by common sense and tell parents to keep an eye on their younger ones who dont truly grasp the reality of their bad choices?

 

If you ran someone over in your car, it is likely an accident. It is also likely you aren't going to get off the hook because it was an accident.

 

yeah, negligence. tell me, had she been around to supervise her kid with the weapon would she have let him point the weapon at his sister and pull the trigger?

 

My estimation of you as done a total 180 since this thread. Hats off!

 

It is completely relevant and has everything to do with this thread. Not my fault if you are intellectually incapable of looking at the bigger picture and realizing that we have a much bigger problem in this country than one kid shooting his sister and it mostly stems from kids not being treated like kids.

A 5 year old is not a tiny adult. They don't have the capacity to reason and understand the consequences of their actions. 10:1 that after his sister was shot he thought she would get back up just like on the cartoons. That's how a child's mind works.

 

Now it is getting off the hook.

The mother lost a child.

Isn't that enough?

Do you call for every parent who leaves the gate to the pool open to be thrown in prison if one of their children drowns?

Usually not.

Mistakes happen.

 

uh huh, but i bet you are just fine with kids wearing shirts or making comments about gay marriage, racism, Obama, etc. etc. as long as you agree with them correct?

and you dont need to let me in on how a childs mind works, im around enough and care for enough, most not even mine, to totally understand how a child thinks. plus i was one at one point in my life. And again, leaving a child alone with a gun is no different than leaving the same 5 year old alone to ride his bike near a street, its a disaster waiting to happen.

supervision is the key here, not the matter of the item used. the 5 year old could have had access to a hammer and think it would be funny to bash the little girl in the head with it because he saw Bugs Bunny do the same thing to Yosemite Sam one time.

this isnt a gun issue, this is a bad parenting issue.

 

I don't know.

I would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger but she may not have been able to react fast enough to stop it.

 

I have a underground swimming pool and it is fenced in and children are not allowed near it without adult supervision. The gates are all secured with locks when we're no in the yard and the fence has alarms on it in case someone tries to climb it.

That being said, if I took a child into the pool area then left them unsupervised and they drowned, yes I'm negligent. Likewise if they break into my pool without my knowledge and drown, I'm not responsible.

Same here, if you leave a child with a gun and they shoot another person, YOU are negligent. If the child had snuck into daddies closet and stole the gun and shot someone else, not negligent.

Do you understand the difference?

 

Pool drownings and gun deaths are a different animal.

 

At school? Absolutely not, go ahead and read the threads on such. I am 100% against kids making ANY political statements at school.

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Oh, and I agree with you. I'm not making the gun itself the issue. I am making the fact that child was left alone with a dangerous object. I had even commented much earlier in the thread that I would no more leave my 5 year old the keys to the family car then i would with a gun. So we aren't in disagreement there.

 

What if you are supervising the children and the phone rings?

Parents get distracted just as drivers do when they take their eyes off the road for an instant and cause an accident.

They did nothing wrong intentionally but mistakes happen.

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Not really.

If there were no backyard pools then there would be no drownings in backyard pools.

Its the same logic that libs want to apply to guns.

 

well that is true in a way, but still thats a hypothetical situation. the reality of this is she left her child alone and in the reach of an item that can be dangerous. like i said its no different than a parent leaving their 5 year old unsupervised near a swimming pool because the kid could drown in the same 3 minutes.

my point is, the parent is totally at fault because had she been around this could have been prevented. negligence and total lack of common sense. Would i let my 5 year old shoot a gun? sure why not as long as im around and supervising the entire situation. would i leave my 5 year old alone with access to a gun loaded or not? HELL NO because this is what can happen.

my rant is not an anti gun rant, its a rant about dumb ass parents like this one.

 

I've had that swimming pool in my back yard for years and had lite really hundreds of kids over and not one child has ever drowned because the phone can go (*)(*)(*)(*) itself if I'm supervising children in the pool. Just like guns, pools can be dangerous for children and if you own one you better be responsible with it. I NEVER take my eyes of the kids if I'm the adult with them.Even if I just have to use the rest room , they all have to get out of the pool and exit the pool area until I return.

They aren't even allowed in the water unless I am in the water, not just in the pool area. They aren't even allowed to swim if just my wife is in the water because she isn't strong enough to save a child if need be.

 

You are right. Mistakes DO happen. But mistakes that were preventable that lead to death are called negligence as in negligent homicide.

 

ok i can respect your opinion because you are not being hypocritical, i just had to make sure you werent one of those people who say a child is an idiot and has no business making statements about being against gay marriage, then at the same time congratulating a child who makes statements about being pro gay marriage.

cheers for being consistent on the matter.

cheers again!!!!!