Last remaining Far-Right groups banned from Social Media.

I think that Germany's younger generations have no idea how miserable life was in Germany after WW 1 & could benefit from a brief diet of rat stew to appreciate the choices available to those living under the Treaty of Versailles, i.e. their parents & grandparents.

 

Which excuses nazi scumbaggery and the tacit acceptance by the majority of the population? Sure thing.
BTW, what does rat stew taste like?

 

If he were, this wouldn't have happened:

 

Just to be clear...

Intelligence agencies under Pinochet's regime instituted secret detention and torture sites to conduct political repression. In total, Chile had 17 torture centers. On occasion, prisoners were released after being confined and tortured. However, many detainees were also killed and "disappeared."
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Physical torture
One torture method which was very commonly used was the "grill" or "La Parrilla." In this torture, electricity was fed from a standard wall outlet through a control box into two wires each terminating in electrodes. The control box gave the torturers the option of adjusting the voltage being administered to the prisoner. The naked prisoner was stretched out and strapped onto a metal bedframe, or a set of bedsprings, and tied down. He or she was subjected to electrical shocks on several parts of the body, especially on sensitive areas like the genitals and on open wounds. The Valech Report includes a testimony of a Chilean man who was interrogated by prison captors. They took off his clothes and "attached electrodes to his chest and testicles. They put something in his mouth so he would "bite his tongue while they shocked him." In another method, one of the wires would be fixed to the prisoner (typically to the victim's genitalia) while another wire could be applied to other parts of the body. This caused an electric current to pass through the victim's body, with a strength inversely proportional to the distance between the two electrodes. A smaller distance between the electrodes led to a stronger current and thus more intense pain for the prisoner. A particularly barbaric version of the "grill" was the use of a metal bunk bed; the victim was placed on the bottom bunk while a relative or friend was simultaneously tortured on the top bunk.

Most prisoners suffered from severe beatings, and broken or even amputated limbs. At Villa Grimaldi, DINA forced non-compliant prisoners to lie down on the ground. The captors ran over their legs with a large vehicle, and crushed the prisoners' bones. The assailants also beat prisoners in the ear until they became deaf, and entirely unconscious; this torture method was called the "telephone." Most of the acts of punishment were intended to severely humiliate the prisoners. At the Pisagua Concentration Camp, captors intimidated prisoners by forcing them to crawl on the ground and lick the dirt off the floors. If the prisoners complained or even collapsed from exhaustion, they were promptly executed.[35] Prisoners were also immersed into vats of excrement, and were occasionally forced to ingest it.

Sexual abuse
Pinochet's regime carried out many gruesome and horrific acts of sexual abuse against the victims. In fact, several detention sites were solely instituted for the purpose of sexually tormenting and humiliating the prisoners. Discothèque (Venda Sexy) was another one of DINA's main secret detention centers. Many of those who "disappeared" were initially held in this prison. The prison guards often raped both men and women. It was at this prison where internal repression operations were centralized. Militants anally raped male prisoners, while insulting them, in an attempt to embarrass them to their core.

Women were the primary targets of gruesome acts of sexual abuse. According to the Valech Commission, almost every single female prisoner was a victim of repeated rape. Not only would military men rape women, they would also use foreign objects and even animals to inflict more pain and suffering. Women (and occasionally men) reported that spiders and live rats were often implanted on their genitals. One woman testified that she had been "raped and sexually assaulted with trained dogs and with live rats." She was forced to have sex with her father and brother—who were also detained.


THIS is the motherfrakker you're defending? THIS is what you consider the lesser of two evils?

 

And the far-left groups? And the anti-semites? and every kind of racist?

 

You are wrong. Live in the Weimar Republik was not miserable. It became difficult when the great depression hit, but than it created great difficulties all over the world.

 

How exactly are laws pertaining to the subject of hate speech legally necessary in order to address the above? How are general laws against making threats to others regarded as being insufficient?

Indeed you have not.

 

Refusing to publish something on your own privately owned platform is not an attack on free speech and free association. In fact, it is an exercise of those rights.

 

Again, McCarthy was in no position to censor anything. he did not have that authority, influence, or power.

 

people that preach violence or hatred should be banned, is the kkk allowed a site? if so that is another Christian Conservative site that facebook shoudl not give voice too using their site

 

so do you think fox should have to let far left people run a program on their channel, how about a 6pm time slot.... would it be censorship if they did not

if the far right fanatics what a website of their own to preach their hate... create it

 

course the right doesn't really understand what free speech is

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/palin-criticism-threatens_n_139729.html

"Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said."

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it depends on what rhetoric the kkk is using today. im not really up on contemporary kkk discourse so icouldnt comment.

 

You are wrong.
After WWI Germany's industrial output crashed to 1890 levels.
The 8h day was introduced, to allow the millions of soldiers to find work.
In 1920s the German economy and industry recovered nicely, back to pre-war standards.
The financial crises and following world wide great depression ended that recovery, as it did world wide.

The recovery you speak of, under the NAZI, was based on a very rapid military built up and so called public works projects, Autobahn, dams, draining of swamps in Ost Preusen and so on

I think you have no idea or real knowledge about the Weimar Republik.

 

You are running out of arguments and than restore to labeling.

I am the past war generation and had to grow up with horrible results of 2 world wars, the humans and the complete destruction of the cities.

Yes that brain washed me, by all means. My father brainwashed me, the unsung hero, with a wheelbarrow full of medals and a disfigured body from the injuries of 6 years at the eastern front line,the violence of PTS, my uncle with the empty eyes after 3 years of KZ, a artist and communist, my mother, a beautiful woman and mother, with the bullet scars of 3 years as a photographer on the Eastern Front and her moments of emptiness. Yes they brainwashed me about the NAZI and their unease and discomfort when we sons confronted them with our questions, the hard ones, the personal ones, their silence at times and their brutal honesty at times.

I am sure brainwashed.

 

nobody engages in more censorship than does the Christian professing far right

 

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

study your history, please - this is embarrassing!

 

How are any laws recognizing aggravating circumstances necessary?

Haven't you just threatened their lives?

 

Authoritarian lefty censors taking away fine nazi people's rights to yell incoherently on the virtual street corner which is private:

 

Fake nooze, matey - there was as much around in those days as there is now, and liberals hype it up out of sight. Oh and 'just to be clear' - don't believe everything you read? Only children and naive adults do that.

 

Would you like my opinion on this? Probably not, but I will give it to you anyway.

Those parent's entire worldview was inoculated with propaganda. It's not so easy to suddenly just change your worldview when that's what you grew up with.

And this does not just apply to the parents. Their children were also inoculated with propaganda, from the other side of the coin. So obviously the children and parents are going to be seeing two different realities.
Now, I'm sure the children's perspective is closer to what the actual reality was, but it is still not actual reality.

That's what you get with a totalitarian society and more totalitarian education system like the one in Germany.

German society does not want a repeat of what happened in its history, but I think the danger is, to some extent, Germans are not being taught the right lessons from history. In many ways Germany's problems preceded those of the Nazis.
The mainstream history that's being taught is a half-truth. Immigration played a big role in Germany's economic crash and the rise of totalitarianism (even before the Nazis). When the history books say the Nazis "scapegoated the Jews", that's a half lie. ​

 

The country had been flooded with immigration at that time, and in particular most (maybe 60 percent) of those "Jews" were from another country or second generation.
The immigrants brought waves of crime, and Weimar Republic had to pass restrictive fascist laws to deal with the security problem.
Conveniently those fascist laws were already in place (having been passed by a Liberal Democratic government) for Hitler to take advantage of them.

And like Grau mentioned in post #76, many Germans were economically suffering (there were a few that even starved to death, although those numbers are estimated to have been less than a thousand).
In those circumstances they weren't feeling very generous.

The danger is learning the WRONG lessons from history.
Suppose the Right didn't arise in Germany at that time. Can we imagine what would have happened then?
Maybe people would have continued on suffering and dying and Germany would have turned into a second rate country like those former Communist Eastern European countries today where people drink themselves to death because they have no hope.

Let's not forget this phenomena wasn't entirely isolated to Germany, there was also Charles de Gaulle in France.
But France was a bit wealthier than Germany at that time and had emerged the victor in the war, so they could more easily accommodate the immigrants without turning all "far right" about it.

What's happening in France right now is an interesting case test to see what would have happened in Germany.
I hear there are many French farmers killing themselves because the economic situation is so hopeless.
Maybe Germany would have been better off without Hitler, I guess we'll just have to watch France and wait and see.
When France runs out of money I predict the sh(*)t's going to hit the fan.​

 

The UK doesn't have a 1st Amendment.

 

I wonder how you guys are going to like it when you have to give over parts of your private websites to every nut group that has an opinion.

In the end that's all Facebook is, It's Mark Zuckerberg's blog., and the only way to make him do what you are proposing is to do it to you as well.

I wonder what my first post will be. I know, my campaign to have Hillary run again.

 

Sounds kind of like a straw man. Is there anyone suggesting every site should have to do that?