Lesbian woman demands double standard when she has sex with 15-year-old

Considering that 14 to 15 was prime marrying age through most of human history, it strikes me as somewhat irrational to automatically write off any such example as "predatory manipulation" unless you're willing to write off most of human history as the same. If it was predatory and manipulative, then by all means, prosecute.

 

I'm not familiar with those details. Although I did see this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/...no-choice-but-to-report-lesbian-relationship/

Given the warning, if this is true, I have no sympathy for the accused.

 

You make the same arguments NAMBLA makes.

 

I'm happy to hear that. How do you feel about the family using the "gay card" to try and distract people from the truth?

Also, I would assume that you are more knowledgeable about the next question; what about the victim? Here was a girl of 14 which is a very impressionable age and now her lesbian tryst is out in the open with all of the details about sex toys, fingering etc. What might that do to her? Was she really a lesbian? She had not been with a boy yet so has Kate ruined that for her? Honestly, I can't even begin to guess what her life is going to be like and if she'll be messed up or not?

 

My nephew was molested by a highschool boy when he was 10. Now at age 15, he has now molested a 10 yr old neighbor boy. The cycle continues.

 

Does their color prevent them from fitting your preconceived mold of a bigot?

 

come on dixon, you didn't need to go there. This case can stand on its own. We have a victim and who knows what her life will now be like. We have the offender who is trying everything but accept responsibility, including playing the gay card and claiming it's based on that.

 

They always use the gay card. The entire gay marriage legal debate is based upon it. This assertion that marriage is NOT limited to men and women because only men and women give birth to their children, and is instead limited to men and women to exclude anyone who is a homosexual, motivated by animus towards homosexuals. Which is absurd.

 

Which has nothing to do with the circumstances this thread is discussing whatsoever.

 

Not yet.

 

The 15 y/o's parents can't control their daughter who after receiving a text from Hunter at school accepted the invitation to join her in the girl's restroom for some sexual activities.

Then the 15 y/o left with Hunter after Hunter dropped by her house and they spent the night together.

One question is where were the 15 y/o's parents?

If they think that getting rid of Hunter will make their daughter a perfect little angel they are clueless parents.

These parents say they want to protect their daughter but they can't even control her. LOL

 

But would the parents have pressed charges if Hunter were a man? I doubt it. LOL

 

Probably moreso. Lots more guys in trouble for this type of thing then women.

 

I'm not sure what you mean, bigots come in all shape and forms, an they still may be bigots... But that doesn't mean I would have simpathy for the accused who was given fair warning, even if from a bigot.

 

Well, unlike you, I don't view non-coerced actions of a teenager as a cause of them becoming gay or straight. Certainly abuse has been linkrd to compulsive behavior where the abused has become the abuser, and some might call those compulsions "making someone gay" if they don understand what it actually means to be gay, but that is not the same as having an innate and uncoerced preference ehich was independantly consented into. As far as what damage may actually be caused, if any, depends on circumstances. There are several potential problems to consider.

1. Was there force or manipulation involved, thus victimizing th person in the most classic sense?
2. Was the individual valued only for sex, giving that individual a sense that their only value comes from sex appeal?
3. Was there unnecessary exposure to risk such as pregnancy or disease for which the individual could not be expected to make reasonable judgment and consent?

It is possible that there was no force or manipulation, that the two valued each other as whole individuals and not just sex objects, and that there was thu no predatory or manipulative factors involved. Under those circumstances, I'm not worried as much about the psychological effects, only the potential for disease or pregnancy for which the minor may not be prepared or be excepted to be able to make informed consent. It's under this scenario that I don't believe that immediate prosecution is appropriate, that a warning shoul be issued instead requiring the couple to stop having sex or get married. I would only follow up with prosecution if the warning is ignored, hence why I have less simpathy in this particular scenario after learning she was warned. I don't have details about other citcumstances of their relationship, but to me ignoring the warning is a damning detail.

If there was force, manipulation, or if the person was valued only for sex, and the "sexualizing" outside the confirms of usual exploratory behaviors to use the APA's terminology, the consequences may be much more severe. I would not say this is an automatic or given in this is an automatic or given in this situation, but if that determination is made, it us much more damning. Still, even without that damnig evidence, the fact that she ignored warnings is damning enough on its own. And no, I don't consider it automatic even if she was at the the historical prime marrying age of 14 or 15, it's the circumstances which would determine, not that they matter if warnings were ignored.

 

I have several friends who are school counselors, in Florida. They have told me that this kind of thing happens all the time, and 99.9% of the time it's handled administratively, without involving the law, even though, technically, they violated the law. Which is as it should be. I've also read in at least one article that Florida's age of Consent laws technically only apply to opposite sex partners. Whether or not that's true, I can't say, but if it is, they're going to have a problem.

 

you have to really consider the emotional development of a 14 year old compared to an 18 year old is like night and day. The 14 yo is more middle school style behavior while the 18 yo is more like college. So, an impressionable kid who wants to be accepted, to now have her lesbian tryst thrust into the open, may well be devastating to her.

Kate's parents should be ashamed of themselves

 

I think you have to really consider that 14 was a prime marrying age for most of human existance, that teenagers of all ages hav frequently experimented with sex to some degree or other for just as long, and that having sex with a 14 year old is already legal as long as the couple is married. In other words, no, I'm sorry, it's not automatic and depends on circumstances. There are risks to be examined, and the law exists for a good reason, but there are no absolutes. I don't consider the situation inherently wrong, except to the extent that circumstances have changed over the course of human history, making such laws necessary for the welfare of our youth given the rising age of marriage, the necessity to get a full education and the rising risk of disease. Those are logistical concerns, not psychological ones, so forgive me if I have less concern for the psychological welfare, provided there was no force or manipulation. To say otherwise sounds like you're condemning pratically everyone in human history of being a manipulated youth marrying a predatory spouse. Sounds rather ridiculous to me. There's nothing magical about turning 18, it's just an arbitrary line drawn out of necessity.

And I think you give college age kids too much credit, personally

 

and we used to let our babies sit on our laps in our cars

we've learned a lot as we as a people move forward. We have learned that a 14 yo is quite vulnerable and impressionable

 

IMO the reason the law got involve was because the 18 year old refuse to back off even after the parents of the 14 year old have old her to do and worse was the parents of the 18 year old refuse to listen as well. The parents of the 14 year old did everything they could to protect their daughter and at the same time tried to reach the normal senses of the 18 year old and her parents but they refuse to heed instead they escalated the situation and the parents of the 18 year old encourage their daughter to continue her unlawful relationship with an 14 year old.

 

When it happens between 18 year olds and 14 year olds it's handled legally, not administratively. That is the common practice. This chold molester expects special treatment because she's lesbian. Only difference.