"Let Obama Care Fail" says Trump

Or he might have a luncheon.

 

It doesn't repeal everything, just much of what can be repealed under the reconciliation rules. Neither is it a far right bill, since it only repeals a portion of a far left bill that never even existed until 2010. Healthcare existed for 234 years without the ACA, it will exist again without it; and far better than it did with it.

Have you ever tried fixing a car without first removing the bad parts causing the problems? The simple reality is that you can't fix the ACA without first repealing the parts that are causing the problem, and that is what the 2015 bill would do.

 

Seems to me Pelosi (won't know what's in it till we read it) and that old decrepit S.O.B. Reed and Schumer passed this bill in the middle of the night. Not one Republican had a say or input the bill. It's all yours and it was screwed up from the start. You all our on bended knees now hoping somehow the Republicans can save it. Guess what? I think that noise I hear is some republicans taking a leak on your failed program. My anguish is why any Republican would want to save any of it.

 

No. Trump lied because he made a promise. And instead of being the "great negotiator" he claims to be and get to work with Congress, he threw up his hands like a coward and say....let the chips fall where they may. It's worth noting that many in his base would be hurt if this collapse (due to sabotage within the Republican ranks), so no, you are wrong when you say they would be happy.

 

Your view of the reality is skewed. In this world, it's "what have you done for me lately" and the Republicans have done NOTHING despite of the fact they are in control of Congress, and the WH. It's transparent for everyone to see except Trump's hardcore base which is thinning by the day. Do not forget, Trump got here because of the anti Clinton vote, nothing more. I don't doubt many voted more him are now having buyer's remorse. You voted for an "anti establishment" guy who, instead of running as an independent, sold his soul to the establishment Republicans.

 

Care to list these phantom EO's that "Gut" the healthcare law?

 

What makes Obamacare expensive are the protections it has for the sick and its mandated benefits. The 2015 bill keeps these protections which means its also going to be expensive and doesn't actually fix the cost problem at all. In addition it strips people of the Medicare expansion and subsidies that help them pay these extra costs and the mandate that encourages low-cost young people to get healthcare to pay for rolling back the Obamacare taxes on the rich. It will make premiums much higher than under Obamacare and will uninsure 32 million people.
http://fortune.com/2017/01/17/obamacare-repeal-cbo-report/

 

Trump isn't simply sitting back and "letting" ObamaCare fail.

he is actively trying to kill it, by not enforcing the individual mandate and cost-sharing for premiums.

this is causing insurers to significantly raise rates or pull out alltogether

 

Nope! Democrats didn't vote for repeal and replace. Republicans did. They own it from here on out.

 

Right. But not with Putin. Like Trump did. Rather with people he needed to convince. But we do need to understand that, for Trump, business comes first. Can't have the Moscow Trump Tower waiting for trivial things like Healthcare or... the country...

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=Oba...e..69i57j0.18488j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Includes full list of Obamacare taxes:
https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes/

 

I'd gladly take the blame as a former Democrat, for the failure of the ACA, if Trump actually let the program run its course fully functional.

 

Cause the Rinos are afraid.

 

no, they realized that they care more about the health of their people than petty partisan politics.

 

Nah, they know once you create a new entitlement you can never remove it without the dems screaming death and destruction, nevermind that those covered can't afford it.

 

I'm confident Fortune Health wrote the best article it could that aligns with the position of Fortune Health; even though it is based upon nothing more than speculation and demagoguery.

I couldn't really derive a coherent theme to your post, as it seemed to sway back and forth from one contradictory concept to another; the typical liturgy of mandates, benefits, protections, taxes, subsidies, and extra costs; all preached as though some magical combination of them would resolve the rising healthcare and health insurances costs. I can assure you that no such magical potion exists.

If there were a magical formula to lower healthcare costs, it would likely be in the mode of "direct primary care", combined with a truly free-market affordable supply of high-deductible catastrophic insurance. A formula so far removed from the current healthcare debate, yet so closely aligned with the true mode of efficient healthcare, that one has to wonder how we even got into the position we are currently in.

Such is the dilemma of big government solutions. The more they try to "fix" something, the worse it becomes. Which is why the only appropriate "fix" to the ACA is the repeal bill of 2015. Only then can we take a breath of fresh air, and start to readopt the workable system that was always there for us, but one we forsook for big government boondoggles instead.

 

No their numbers are based on the CBO, 32 million uninsured and premiums doubling.

That because I wasn't even talking about reducing costs or a magic combination, it is like you are reading an entirely different post. What I was pointing out is that the 2015 bill keeps the cost increasing parts of Obamacare, but takes away the parts that help people pay for it and make premiums lower.

You clearly don't understand a big reason why healthcare is so expensive. A big reason our healthcare is so expensive is because catastrophic care is expensive. When someone is chronically sick with a serious condition that is really really expensive and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. These conditions usually requires lots of doctor visits, hospital stays, surgeries, medical technology, expensive drugs, and expensive specialized doctors. The solution is to make preventative care like checkups and screenings and other things that prevent conditions from becoming expensive virtually free so they are treated before they start becoming expensive.