LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against gay marriage and gay rights have deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support and allow marriage, the issue will somehow go away. They claim that children will be taught that homosexuality is normal and good. Well know this, LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBTI issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?
My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

 

why is it so important to have your sexual lifestyle forced upon others and mandated to be "normal" ?

 

Why do you take his statements as forcing it upon others?

Normal is relative and thus meaningless without context.

 

It is not an issue that government should pay attention to. Homosexuality is your private business.

 

you nailed it

for some reason, those who choose the homosexual lifestyle want the govt to proclaim that their chosen sex act is something more than any other sex act

 

Yep, scientifically speaking their chosen sex act is not actually a sexual act, since sex assumes difference in genders.

 

Perhaps government can enact educational courses to inform homosexual youth that they are more likely to be infected with AIDS than their heterosexual peers, as various studies have found to be the case.

 

It's important to educate people on how to avoid sexually transmitted disease.

But I'd focus on something that is more prevalent than less than one percent. Yeah it's true that men that have sex with men have a higher instance of contracting HIV. And that fact should be understood. But 99.1% of gay men won't get it.

So what do you suggest we teach to them? That gay guys get aids? I prefer facts and knowledge.

 

I think that they know what the risks are. What do you think about the issue raised in the OP?

 

According to kreo, homosexuals cannot engage in sex. So if that is the case what is homosexual sex? Unless of course you are saying kreo is wrong and you are right. Which is it sec you can't have it both ways, either kreo is wrong or you are.

 

Please don't bother with these fools. Don't feed the trolls !

 

I absolutely agree, promiscuity is rampant in gay males (that's one of the one reasons I am for ssm) and unsafe sex practices are a huge issue (fall all teens). Teach the dangers, show them examples. Teach truth - not propaganda.

 

What propaganda are we talking about? Who's propaganda? Physical health is important but my op is more about mental health. If kids are committing suicide , it doesn't much matter if they have HIV

 

would that be in compliance with forum rules?

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sure, but it needs to be classified as something thus, homosexual-sex is an appropriate label.

 

when you come into my resturant advertising where you stick your penis... when it doesn't matter concerning your order, it's not discrimination from where you stick your penis, it's discriminating service from ********s.....


there's a difference

 

Apparently there is no hope of having an intelligent and productive discussion of the topic that I started, is there?

 

what you refuse to admit to


I can't kick you out for being gay.... I get that
I can kick you out for being a rude ******** to my staff or other customers...

the problem comes, when you are a gay, rude ******** and get kicked out. The default assumption by the gay supporters and liberals is, I kicked you out for being gay, when the truth is, you got kicked out for being a jerk.


Take this story for instance...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/gay-couple-kissing-taxi_n_5983188.html

if a hetero couple was making out in the back of a cab and got kicked out .... noone bats an eye....
if a homo couple was making out in the back of a cab and got kicked out... suddenly, itz teh bigotryz and homozphobiaz


But of course, the article does not tell us what really happened. If you ask the homo couple, they will downplay the kiss, if you ask the cabby, he would describe it as heavy petting groping and leading to much more than kissing

why is it, the homosupporters automatically assume the gay jerks got kicked out because of them being gay, rather than because they were jerks?

#becauseagenda


I personally want to know. I could easily admit discrimination if it was truly just a peck on the cheek, and the cabby kicked them out. But I'm not allowed to ask that without being accused of #homophobia.


so please... before you lecture someone on honest discussions, please self examine first. I'm at least trying to ask for the cabby's side of the story, unlike the article

 

The point of my last post to you was that YOU ARE OFF TOPIC. This has NOTHING to do with the OP.....NOTHING. I will not be a party to derailing my own topic.

Either you did not read the OP, You didn't understand it, you really don't have anything useful to say about it, or your confused about where you are.


I'm sure that you can find another thread about discrimination in public accommodations. If not, start one.

 

"words, words, words, I can't debate your point, words, homophobe, bigot, words"

 

I notice that quite a few of articles are always biased in some form. Typically, they only will tell one side of the story. Yes, they leave a lot of information out of this article.
Now I'm going to go based on the information that the article did provide. The article stated that the two guys kissed and that the cab driver made some rude comments and kicked them out. Now we don't know if they were "making out" or if it was just a kiss. Their side of the story is that he made the comments. They didn't question him so we don't know his side of it.
Now as far as your comment, you assumed that the two guys were "jerks". You are just as bad as the writer of the article, assuming facts, not in evidence. Or making your own assumptions.

 

Anything on topic to say?

 

Human sexuality itself is of a fluidic nature. Classifications such as heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality, are temporary constructs, meant to artificially differentiate people, and serve as a point of division to stir up conflict.

There are individuals who attest to having changed their sexual preferences. This would suggest that it is of a temporary state, and able to be influenced by unspecified stimuli. Until such time that it can be conclusively proven that sexuality is something set in stone, and thus as impossible to change as eye color or ethnicity, any discussion about how it should be regarded for long-term policy changes should be approached tentatively at best.

 

Since you asked nicely.

I have to agree with the third response. Ignoring it, isn't a good choice. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away and ignoring that your son or daughter might be gay, won't make it go away either.
The second choice is not a good one either. Kind of like how left handed kids would get scolded for using their left hands. A person can't change the way the were born, just because someone else doesn't like it.
The third option, addressing that your son or daughter might be gay, and give love and understanding. You still don't have to like it, but try to understand it. As in the words of my own father, when he learned I was gay, "I don't agree with it, but as long as you are happy." Couple of years later, my dad told me that he felt our relationship grow, after I came out. He said that prior to it, he felt as I had a wall blocking him out and after I came out, he said that it felt like that wall was no longer there.

On the flip side, my mother told me "You're going to hell." "That's the worst thing a boy could tell his mother." "I'd rather you had gotten a girl pregnant." Needless to say, my relationship with my mother isn't that great. It is better than it was.

 

Translation: Until we prove that homosexuality is not a choice, we should put everything on hold. We could say the same thing about religion.

 

Not when your response to those who disagree with you is always:

Your topic starts with "People who rail against gay marriage...."
Your entire OP is about those who disagree with you.
If you don't want them to respond, then who are you preaching to? Polydectes and Arxael?

Don't the gays already agree with you?
Isn't your goal to bait those who disagree into arguing? Then your response is to call them trolls and complain that you can't converse with them?
If you only want people to partake if they agree with you, you should make it clear.


As for your original topic (not the one about "fools" and "trolls"), do you really think anyone believes this issue will go away?

Between the MSM, the loud nature of gays, and the full court dockets.... this issue will live on forever.