Life support has been withdrawn from Alfie Evans

To be fair, how would this mean that someone hasn't gotten drunk voluntarily? Isn't it even more likely that someone has gotten drunk voluntarily at a wedding? Weddings are probably the number one place!

 

It doesn't but I was responding to the inane point about someone having "alcohol fumes on their breath". That does not mean that they are drunk, just that they have had a drink recently. Cerberus is fallaciously assuming that anyone who has a drink doesn't "care for themselves" which is patently absurd.

 

Its just that I'm pretty sure he was describing his sisters condition when she went to hospital and had to wait for longer than expected due to drunks.

While the police would be called for B, you haven't said what would happen to them medically.

 

While "having alcohol fumes on their breath" is not a fair test of intoxication, @cerberus is clearly referring to alcohol poisoning requiring medical attention. Doctors of course don't have to rely on breath tests to determine blood/alcohol level.

 

Nope, he was originally referring to drunks in a pub getting into a fight and sustaining glass cuts which cause extensive bleeding.

Alcohol poisoning is relatively rare compared to bar fight injuries ending up in emergency rooms.

 

He said his sister needed a morphine top up for pain caused by her tumours.

As none of us know the reason for them going to A&E, who can say? As they were fit enough to be able to run riot and punch people on the nose, there couldn't have been anything very seriously wrong.
They may have just been accompanying a sick or injured friend, who was being treated elsewhere.
They wouldn't have been allowed to accompany anyone to a treatment room in that state.
That I do know. Maybe that's what they were arguing about? It does seem likely.

 

That doesn't phaze me in the slightest - I'm quite used to being the odd one out on most things, and more often than not turn out to have been right about them all along. Now don't expect any further replies from me to your posts.

 

Translation: In spite of being consistently wrong "on most things" actually learning from mistakes is ignored in favor of confirmation bias instead.

 

No, not 'someone who has a drink recently', I obviously meant someone who over-indulges every effing weekend doesn't care for their health. I wasn't going to bother putting you on ignore, but now that I'm certain you're flamebaiting me, I will.

 

That post was not even a response to one of yours and furthermore there is nothing in that content that equates to "flamebaiting". That you did not make yourself clear in your initial posts is not my problem.

 

I agree there, they should be able to take him home and do as they wish

but forcing tax payers to pick up the tab to keep a body alive after the mind has parishes is not realistic

 

The poor little boy wasn't a thing, you know. He was a person with rights.

That was never the point.

The whole thing was about stopping life support when there was no hope of recovery and prolonging painful treatment for no good reason.

 

If they'd been allowed to take him home when he was obviously so near the end, then there would have been no further taxpayer support?

 

His father didn't ask for him to be taken home to die until after life support had been switched off and it was far too late.

 

In retrospect, what the father really should have done is to have agreed early on to withdraw life support and bring the dying son home, but in reality have a secret team ready outside the hospital to keep the child alive while they could get him to Italy.

 

I don't think the kid could have survived the journey to Italy without all the life support equipment.

 

https://www.portea.com/medical-equipment/product/astral-150-ventilator/

 

Well that's only a ventilator, but I'd suspect there would be far more equipment needed . . . to monitor vital signs for example? I obviously don't know that for certain.

Also this for Aussie Chris . . .

"What does "brain death" mean?
Brain death is a legal definition of death. It is the complete stopping of all brain function and cannot be reversed. It means that, because of extreme and serious trauma or injury to the brain, the body's blood supply to the brain is blocked, and the brain dies. Brain death is death. It is permanent."

https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/braindeath

 

Love blog post experts

You have to meet certain criteria for aeromedical transport

BTW that is an NIV ventilator

 

They still deserve health care

We cannot pick and choose who to deal with. All we can do is prioritise those needing care

 

Okay, so I hope that the time will come when you find yourself in an A&E waiting room in the middle of the night frightened of the symptoms you're suffering, and then just as it gets to your turn to be assessed, the sudden arrival of a drunk puts you back half an hour or so. I don't hope for anything worse though, just enough to make you remember this exchange and realise how wrong you were.

 

Been there done that

In return why don’t you volunteer one day and see the other side? You DO realise do you not that there is more than one entrance to any ED and although you have seen the drunk arrive you will not have seen the Ambulance entrance that just brought in a five year old with Status Asthmaticus

 

It isn't often that I read those words and say 'I don't believe you.' but I do now - I don't! As to the rest of your post - WTF has any of that have to do with what we're talking about here? Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question and I'm not interested..

 

You were the one complaint about being delayed in ED due to the arrival of a drunk. What I am Ponting out is that you have no real idea what caused the delay

 

I said I'm not interested.