Like or hate Trump

talk is cheap. What actions were taken?

Was there any steps to stop the democratic election process?

 

10 million dead of abortion is ten million fewer people to contribute to SS, and almost every illegal immigrant that has come into country during the biden maladministration is on welfare in one way or the other God help them.

 

And that is indeed the issue the left can't and won't deal with reality while lapping up every lie the AS media puts out like it's mothers milk.

 

But neither side has taken any actions so what's your point?

 

On May 27, 2020, U.S. President Donald Trump retweeted a video posted to Twitter by the group "Cowboys for Trump" in which the group's leader, Cuoy Griffin, a commissioner for Otero County in New Mexico, stated, "I've come to a place where I've come to the conclusion that the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."

Trump, a Republican, retweeted the video and added the comment, "Thank you Cowboys. See you in New Mexico!"
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We rate the claim that Trump retweeted a video stating that "the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat" as "True," because equivocation or not, those were the exact words of Griffin as recorded in the video posted in the tweet, which the president retweeted.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-retweet-cowboys/

 

This is what I mean, about arguing with nonsense. You are claiming that the reason he lost the election, in 2112, was because people saw him as a war monger. FYI, even though the votes in Congress, were pretty overwhelmingly in favor of authorizing the war in Iraq, ROMNEY WAS NOT IN CONGRESS at the time. When he was the nominee, he had held only one prior, political office: Governor of Massachusetts.

Like I said, your re-envisioned narrative, is a fantasy.

 

So Trump didn't say it? Just as I thought. And none of the people in the video ever killed anyone. The claim is that Trump said it Try again By the way BLM and Antifa are both responsible for numerous deaths and assaults,

 

Oh for pity sake there were numerous votes for funding Iraq and Afghanistan at least yearly in fact he voted for all of them. He is a long time McCain ally.

 

Here is his speech after he lost the election telling his mob to fight, 20 times.

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Democrats have pointed to one phrase in particular as they argue that Trump incited those present to march down Pennsylvania Avenue toward the Capitol.

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

 

No one claimed he said it. But retweeted it.
Here's the post again where you called the poster a liar, but we can see, it must be your reading ability that is the issue.

 

"There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience," he continued. "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK?"

And then, "I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won't be so much 'cause the courts agree with us too."
https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-said-hell-pay-232600785.html

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As you can see, ALL 3 THINGS posted were true.
Not a single claim posted was a lie.

 

Based on past posts in this thread, I am not sure what you claim can be taken seriously.

 

The "cheap labor" is something that employers want and desperately need so that we don't pay an arm and a leg for simple things because it will be quite expensive. We saw this with meat as some meat slaughterhouses lost their cheap labor and hired locals who demanded the higher pay in order to work. Otherwise, they won't have any takers and would have shut down production or moved production elsewhere OUTSIDE the US and then shipped the meat here, with all of our quarantines in place. And that increases costs which increases retail prices which you would complain because Biden, if done in his presidency, would be the democrat. And you desperately need to blame everyone but yourself because you didn't think things through all the way.

Illegals or migrants are not eligible for federal welfare. Some states may allow it if they are considered a resident of the state, but then not all migrants and illegals are murderers or whatever floats your boat. You are spouting so much incorrect and inaccurate information that all you are doing is regurgitating what you heard on TV, read on the internet, or listened to the conservative talk show hosts to get your blood boiling because that is what they do for a living.

SS has been on the brink of insolvency since the 1980s, long before this issue was a top concern of conservatives. It is the lies that you are spewing that shows that you are the only one complaining here with no reasonable alternatives to boot. We had the major changes in the 1970s, 1980s, and tinkered with the idea in the 1990s to today.

 

I remember on Jan 6, 2021.
Congress going into hiding after some MAGA members broke into the Capitol to stop/halt the election process of the USA president.
Many are going to jail for those actions. Some for 18 and 21 yrs.

Did you forget about that?

 

Abortion does not harm others. It is still up in the air if human life begins at conception. We had definite science of when life ends, but not when life begins. Not even the religious folks are on the same boat on this. So, does it harm others, presuming you are talking about the fetus? We don't know. but using religious definitions of when human life begins from a religious book is not scientific at all.

 

Except that most abortions happen at ten weeks according to Naral and planed parenthood Further the 15 week limit for abortion would actually stop less than ten percent of abortions the six week limit would increase that to about 50%.

 

You need to think this through. Who were the ones who were having abortions? Teenage mothers who have no job and few family support? Will most likely qualify for Medicare, Medicaid, and all the other welfare stuff you complain about. Poverty rates would significantly increase. Or how about young women who got pregnant, thought the guy would marry them, and now is nowhere to be found because he did not want the baby to begin with? Or how about the woman who was raped, or had incest with a family member? Should they carry the baby to term as well? Or what about problem pregnancies where the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother? You are willing to choose the fetus instead of the mother? Will you financially support those children who now have no mother to begin with? Or will you leave them to the wind like you always do?

 

And again, who is it harming?

 

The child in the womb and the mental health of more than a few of the mothers.

 

I neither like him or hate him. Sort of a mixed bag. There were things I liked about him, and some things I didn't.

 

Her self centred narcicism ended it for her family. Ironic given that she was up against Trump.

I still say she could have won had she made it "She's with us" isntead of "I'm with her" for her approach.

 

And here I thought you were independent, not an ideologue?

Stop passing anti-union legislation. Repeal Taft-Hartley. Allow unions to launch secondary boycotts. Increase the minimum wage. Have a negative income tax. There are plenty of non-bureaucratic ways to work on the problem. My preference would be a negative income tax, or failing that increase the minimum wage.

In the context of the marketplace we create.

Labor markets are "sticky" because people have reasons for not picking up and leaving.

Even though I tend to agree with you about changing jobs, workers aren't as mobile as capital.

This is real, not "fake news"...



If we don't fix this problem, we could see average folks pulling their support for our capitalist system.

P.S. I invested and used my economics and business education to make money.

 

That's complete bullshit.

https://immigrationforum.org/wp-con...migrants-and-Public-Benefits-FINALupdated.pdf

 

Trump doesn't know when to shut up. He could land in jail.

One thing is certain, Trump's lawyers are earning their keep. According to them, threatening witnesses is a First Amendment right.

ABC reports "Special counsel Jack Smith and his team have requested a federal judge in Washington, D.C., impose a "narrowly tailored" order restricting former President Donald Trump from making public statements that they argue could "present a serious and substantial danger of prejudicing" his 2020 federal election interference case.

"In an extraordinary filing released Friday, Smith's office accused Trump of engaging in a sweeping campaign of "disinformation" and harassment intended to intimidate witnesses, prosecutors and others involved in the prosecution he is facing.

"Trump has pleaded not guilty to charges of undertaking a "criminal scheme" to overturn the results of the 2020 election by enlisting a slate of so-called "fake electors," using the Justice Department to conduct "sham election crime investigations," trying to enlist the vice president to "alter the election results," and promoting false claims of a stolen election as the Jan. 6 riot raged -- all in an effort to subvert democracy and remain in power.

"Prosecutors say their proposed order to D.C. District Judge Tanya Chutkan would be "a narrow, well-defined restriction" that would prohibit Trump from making statements "regarding the identity, testimony, or credibility of prospective witnesses" and "statements about any party, witness, attorney, court personnel, or potential jurors that are disparaging and inflammatory, or intimidating."

"Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung, responding to Smith's request, said the DOJ was "corruptly and cynically continuing to attempt to deprive President Trump of his First Amendment rights."

 

Again, you are using religious references to describe a fetus in the womb. For human life to begin, it is both biological and psychological. It is why we have descriptions such as stillbirth around. A still birth is not a birth, it is a death of a fetus, which is why it cannot be allowed under the tax code. And in this context, it is when does personhood begin. That concept has been explored and it is determined, generally around the 9th week of gestation during embryogenesis. That is about the 10th to 12th week of pregnancy.

furthermore, when a woman has an abortion, it is the most difficult choice they have to make. A choice that no man can understand in this lifetime or any other. Women who have never been pregnant also cannot understand. It is a concept in and of itself, and as I said, there are many factors that go into the decision making process such as their age, if the boyfriend has abandoned them the moment they are told that their girlfriend is pregnant, and so forth. there are medical considerations as well including, but not limited to the life of the mother. And that's the problem with hard right religious draconian laws such as the one in Texas or even Alabama, among others. 13 in all. It is also why the abortion ban has been rejected as a referendum in places like Kansas for instance, quite handily from the votes against it.