Like or hate Trump

Well… I can step up to a stage, as long as there’s a trap-door…. for when I need a break.

 

What is missing from your reply, is any mention of the point we were discussing. You'd claimed that Obama only won a second term, in part, because Mitt Romney struck voters (particularly Independents, I guess?) as a "war monger." I pointed out that, in 2112, there was no real reason anyone should have thought that, about him. Hence, this discredits that inaccurate depiction, among your narrative of many flaws.

 

If You knew who was supporting him you knew what he would do it isn't rocket science. The neocons made no secret of their support. It would probably have served him better back in those days when there were still anti war democrats.

 

Smaller government, less regulatory overburden for small businesses in particular.More decentralization of government defederalization of law enforcement Reduction of the foot print of American intelligence services in America. Divest the SPLC and ADL of their excessive influence on American federal law enforcement

 

The indictments are baloney any reasonable reading of them tell you that.

 

OK then, explain why they are "baloney"

We can start with the indictment on the documents case out of Florida.

 

Well, like or hate Trump, Trump Is Right. Dems Support No Limits on Abortion.

'Democrats are also opposed to compelling doctors to provide infants who survive attempted abortions the minimum amount of care they would be expected to provide any other person.'

And Love Trump or Hate Him, Bribed Biden World Fears Trump May Muddy Waters On Abortion.

'Trump called Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ six-week abortion ban “terrible” and claimed to seek “peace” on the issue. “I’m going to come together with all groups, and we’re going to have something that’s acceptable,” he told MTP moderator Kristen Welker.'

Love Trump or hate him, but he's framing a position that will enjoy the support of 65-70% of the voters.

And that's what we expect from the man who wrote "The Art Of The Deal". I'd like to see more of this Trump out on the campaign trail.

And love Trump or hate him, a person who can take an issue that has divided this nation for a half century, and meld it into a position with 65-70% support? That's the nightmare of the Swamp that remains in power by keeping The People divided half and half and pitted at each other's throats.

 

Republicans are trying to convince middle-income workers that immigrants and poor people are ripping them off.

 

Again, I am not denying that you could, of course, foreknow how all things would play out, in the future; but, in disproving your argument about the reason for the result of the voting by the general electorate, I don't need to. To simplify: the general impression of Romney, was not, as you'd depicted in your myth, that he was a war monger. If you will not concede this, then please produce some of the articles in the mainstream press at that time, talking about this trait, which you are contending was in big part, what led to his defeat, and so the keeping of President Obama in office.

 

Can you list me Joe Biden and the Dems plans for all those things you just listed?

 

Waiting for you to tell me what Biden and the Dems ARE DOING about those issues other than complaining the Reps aren't.

 

Oh for pity sake the press had been calling Republicans in general and bush and his congressional allies war criminals off and on for 12 years, and Romney signed on with the same team and you think that didn't impact the thinking of a hell of a lot of people? Add to that if you want that Neocons had proved absolutely worthless on social issues and that there's not a lot of love loss between mormons in general and evangelicals and a hell of a lot of the Republican base were less than enthusiastic in their support for Romney. And he has done nothing since to make that better.

 

There's no need to ban late-term abortions given they're almost always done because of problems with the fetus or pregnant women. Canada has a lower abortion rate than we do despite having no law banning abortion.

You're looking at old numbers.

The Orange Oaf got nothing dealing with China on trade, gave up more than he got from Canada on the USMCA replacement for NAFTA, only got a deal on new cars from Mexico, and failed to get a deal with the EU. Trump still doesn't understand political deals and business deals are different.

Trump has no deal on abortion.

Gaslighting Alert!

Trump is the divider.

 

Old Joe said he won't cut social programs. Republican want to see millions of people lose their health care. Old Joe is supporting increasing the minimum wage.

 

Sure, but you know what the are. Raising the minimum wage isn't my solution for this...



... but it's better than nothing.

 

So list me their plans for all those things. And not their goals or what should be or that they are going to have conversations about it. Their actual pans like you demand of the Republicans.

 

So what is his plan for both?

 

The actual plan is to raise taxes as needed, something 2/3 of Americans support.

 

Trump tried to cut Obamacare subsidies, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Trump isn't worth spit.

You figure they'll turn the country into Polygamy Land?

Yeah, he voted to convict the Orange Oaf. Bad Mitt!

 

Well like Trump or hate him, but he sure is leading a lot polls lately.

1. Trump 50, Biden 49
2. Trump 48, Biden 46
   
3. Trump 44, Biden 40
   
4. Trump 46, Harris 40
   
5. Trump 44, Biden 43

 

Oh, for Pity's sake, are you now changing your argument from Americans were ready to elect a Republican, if the GOP had nominated anyone decent, to now pin the blame, instead of on the Republican establishment's choice, on the media having brainwashed the public, so that no matter how great of a candidate the Rs put forward, people would see them as a potential "war criminal?" It seems, in your desperation, your argument is lurching from one pretext, to the next-- none of which make much, if any sense.

Romney was never thought of as a "war monger." At that particular point-- your argument now makes me consider-- his being Mormon, might actually have been seen as an asset. As for seeing Republicans, in general, this way, it would have not been the result of the press "disinformation," but based on what they had seen with their own eyes, from the
G. W. Bush administration.

While Obama had initially continued the Bush policies, and even escalated, with the "troop surge," it had allowed him, in 2011, to get us out of Iraq, at least. So there was an actual record, from which people could draw their conclusions, if in fact, this was the view of the masses, that Republicans = War-- which was what kept Romney out of office, & kept Obama in.

It should be noted, we were still fighting, in Afghanistan. It should also be pointed out, that your saying "oh, for pity sake," does not free you from the debate onus, to support your arguments. If, as you imply, the demonizing of Republicans, as them all being antsy to bring us into another war, was proliferating in the MSM, that should only make it easier for you-- in fact, I should now expect more examples, of the media saying that a vote for Romney, was a vote for conflict. So, where is that evidence, for which I'd asked (if you were not wise enough to choose, instead, to fall back from this ridiculous argument)? The articles you refer to were not about Republicans, writ large, but about specific people in the Bush administration-- and not without some cause-- including VP Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and G. W., himself. There was no such negative buzz, around Romney. So if that is your argument, for Pity's sake: put up, or shut up.

 

And Presidential polls, within 15 months of elections, have proven to be spot- on, right?

Though I wonder if it could possibly make any difference to some voters, if Trump is going to be locked up, come the election. Or if the Republicans take us over the cliff, with our Debt ceiling, so that we have not only another government shutdown, but a lowering of the U.S. credit rating, bringing economic blowback, and more expensive Debt servicing for the country, which would lead to the same, for us all, individually. And that is even assuming that they would get their act together, to avoid a catastrophic, first ever U.S. Defaulting on its Debt obligations, which would have worldwide, adverse ramifications.

But hey, the Repubs can always show that they are serious about governing, by addressing these dire circumstances which they would have brought on, by impeaching President Biden!

 

I wonder what trumpism is. You must mean that there are people who support Trump's re-election. If so then Bidenism is just as bad.

 

Reagan wasn't either. And since Neocons Had only just started up when Reagan was elected and Bush was VP to try to unite the party.

 

And if convicted and expidited appeals turn him loose do to prosecutorial over reach?