Literally just got denied medical service for being white.

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    Medical science says if you have thyroid problems, yep it pretty much is.
     
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    Lol, obesity is a complex problem in practice, though. We're wired to survive with boom and bust food supply. We are wired to want to eat rich foods and thus get fat when we can much like men are wired to want to be more promiscuous. These things are maladaptive now, but helped our ancestors survive and reproduce. Is it possible to overcome these things? Sure. But it can be very hard. Choices occur in a context. The modern context makes it hard and many if not most people will make the wrong choices. You can feel morally superior if you have the will power or other motivations that keep you trim, but from a policy perspective asking people to do the healthy thing with horribly aligned incentives is foolish.

    And it is also true that it is harder for some than others. Some people naturally have lower appetites, and some have hypothyroidism on the other side. But the tendency is to enjoy and indulge in easily available rich foods until one gets fat. Commercialism and subsidizing corn syrup doesn't help.
     
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    yep, insulin is the fat storage hormone... carbs release a lot of it

    they also say heavily processed seed oils can cause insulin resistance, which makes it even worse - and sadly, that stuff is in most everything nowadays
     
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    You haven't sought to find out why (or even acknowledged the reason stated on the list). You've decided it's racism and have no great interest in finding anything to change that conclusion.

    I doubt anything is going to cut through your clinical and social ignorance here. The fact is that all these medical conditions are a result of a complex set of varying factors. Some of them include behaviour and personal choices, though even those aren't entirely free choices. The bottom line is that it's complex so dismissing out of hand literally anyone with any of a whole list of conditions is simply wrong.

    Again, that is your presumed answer to the question you're claiming to be asking. The fact is that we don't have any information here to explain why these "high risk ethnic groups" have been specifically included in the list so any conclusion is inappropriately presumptive.

    Only indirectly, as a result of potential age related conditions. In practice, there will be lots of perfectly healthy 66 year olds and very unhealthy 64 year olds. I don't see why your objection to generalising risk by race wouldn't apply to generalising risk by age.
     
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    And it also says that if you suffer from hypothyroidism, you simply need to ADJUST your eating and exercise habits to avoid becoming overweight. I know several thin people who have underactive thyroids, and they just work harder to avoid obesity.

    Regardless of your baseline conditions, any ensuing obesity is still a function of eating too much and exercising too little.
     
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    LOL, no it isn't. It's about the least complex thing there is.

    Too much in and not enough out = fat. There is no other math or science. It's a VERY SIMPLE EQUATION.

    How any given individual responds to that equation is utterly irrelevant. The equation remains constant, while individuals make their own choices in relation to it.
     
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    1) It IS racism, because COVID doesn't behave differently according to the ethnicity of the person it infects. Race has nothing to do with COVID. And I know why race is included in this .. because some BEHAVIOURS (in other words nothing to do with race) increase risk of serious illness and/or death. So they're measuring BEHAVIOURS by RACE. That is an outright absurdity. Utterly idiotic, and in effect pure racism.

    2) You're missing the point entirely. They are BEHAVIOURS. A set of actions, freely chosen by the individual. When we're acting for the many, we cannot possibly cater for the personal backstory of each individual (and to even want to do that, suggests a grotesque level of privilege-thinking). To think you can do that is delusional to a degree I'm even shocked by, and I'm not shocked by much. And to think you you can do it without it negatively impacting many many people, is even more delusional. In order to be of benefit to the most, we MUST have hard lines drawn in the sand, at the most fundamental and basic level - to allow for the most freedom of choice. That means a clear delineation between RACE and BEHAVIOUR.

    3) Which is a massive problem. Not asking the WHY, allows all kinds of malicious intent to pass itself off as 'helpful'.

    4) Risk increases with age no matter what we do behaviour wise. We can stave that risk off to a point, but age is a biological process we have no control over. Becoming morbidly obese OTOH, is entirely a choice.
     
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