LIVE STREAM OF ABORTION CASE that Could OVERRULE ROE

There no reason to elect Republicans if they are too timid to take strong, principled positions on difficult issues. If not now, when?

 

Abortion is murder.

Extremists supporting it are supporting murder.

 

Right after you win the elections. Doing this now is a recipe for not achieving good results in 2022 and 2024.

Make Abortions a State's Rights issue (as it should be) and hand the Democrats the biggest club imaginable for the 2022 and 2024 elections. Republicans will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

I disagree. The reason I left the Republican Party is they NEVER stand up for the conservative principles they promise during elections. We’re fooling ourselves if we think they’ll stand up after the election. They are a weak pathetic bunch and I will not support them.

 

Speaking of FOR SHAME..

I guess is where the leftist rape justification comes in, right?

 

You posting History and expecting leftist to, well, NICE TRY!

 

Comparing those 2 things is intellectually dishonest... (Ditto)...

 

Personally I have no dog in the fight! I just can't understand how stupid it is to have something ripped from the Women when preventative measure are abundant and everywhere..

I see the proabortionist point about all these rapes and immaculate conception justifications, but DAMN,

62 MILLION! It looks more like lazy to me, and begs the question why would you opt you have a medical procedure when you can just avoid the whole affair with a device, day after or some other contraceptive...

 

It also seems you really didn't understand the party! It's not all about our politicians and all about a FAR different set of personal beliefs and social commitment.. Clearly you prefer a party where their politicians promise them everything and never deliver!

Then you really should be part of the much greater Democrat party

 

You are fundamentally mistaken: SCOTUS rulings are not supposed to be PARTISAN, at ALL; neither "liberal," nor "conservative," but faithful to our Constitution and tradition of law. Of course, decisions can be properly based on these things, yet still seem more liberal or conservative to any citizen observer. While I grant that politics has, at times, come into play, I will also note that the interpretation of a ruling as fitting one of those labels, does not necessarily mean that it doesn't follow appropriate legal precedent; I think the Constitution, itself, could rightly be called a "liberal," document (certainly more so, than a "conservative," one). And those two designations can also be subjective, in the eye of the beholder.

 

I don’t understand the Republican Party? That’s a laugh. I was a registered Republican for more than 40 years and was involved in Republican politics at the state level, I understand them very well. They are America’s Socialist Party #2.

 

You clearly said the

Clearly you are unhappy with our reps, and I'm saying they are a very small part of the Republican party, you know, we little people that work hard all our lives, organize and contribute time and money to help better their communities.. Like I say, if you think crooked politicians make the party what it is you don't understand the ideology.

UNLESS you are referring to everyday Conservatives and Republicans as a pathetic bunch and you aren't willing to support them and their social ideology! Then you are certainly a better match for Politicians and a party that says they will and never lifts a hand to do the work themselves..

 

The Democrats are worse than the Republicans, I want nothing to do with them.

 

Your POV actually contradicts what went on, with the arguments. The pro-choice plaintiffs were arguing forcefully for keeping the line where it has been for half a century: at VIABILITY of the fetus (approx. 24 weeks). This was so, even as Justice Barrett presented a disingenuous scenario to a pro-choice council, asking if a state might also choose to raise the bar above 24 weeks, to include the full 1st two trimesters, 27 weeks, & only outlaw abortion in the final trimester. But the lawyer remained consistent, that we could have no better, both logical & unwavering dividing line, than the one that the SCOTUS used in its Roe decision. You can hear the proceedings-- which were not especially long, and chock full of interesting lines of thought, to keep one's attention-- at the link, at the bottom of my OP.

 

Ok, so I'll just disregard all you posted and chalk it up to, "You lost my ass" and clearly haven't a clue where you stand

 

It seems unfathomable that a modern society (after allowing Roe v Wade to have legal effect for almost half a century) could go back to the Dark Ages of Back Alley Abortions and Coat Hangers:
Where women are being severely maimed (or dying) because of the Horrific Medical Consequences from Botched Abortions Procedures.

Health Consequences
Worldwide, some 5 million women are hospitalized each year for treatment of abortion-related complications such as hemorrhage and sepsis, and abortion-related deaths leave 220,000 children motherless.4,5 The main causes of death from unsafe abortion are hemorrhage, infection, sepsis, genital trauma, and necrotic bowel.1 Data on nonfatal long-term health complications are poor, but those documented include poor wound healing, infertility, consequences of internal organ injury (urinary and stool incontinence from vesicovaginal or rectovaginal fistulas), and bowel resections. Other unmeasurable consequences of unsafe abortion include loss of productivity and psychological damage.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/#!po=20.5882

An Unsafe Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by people lacking the necessary skills, or in an environment lacking minimal medical standards, or both. An unsafe abortion is a life-threatening procedure

 

The line is the point of viability and newer science says 15 weeks as opposed what was understood during Roe. I remember Roe was supposed to only apply the the first trimester but has been expanded to the point of birth in some cases. What may happen is Roe is ‘redefined’ to what it originally meant.

 

@mswan

I'm not one of those Republicans so don't insult me!

And BTW I come from a long line of Democrats and was up till Slick Willie last term.. And I am far more in line withe PEOPLE that make up the Republican party! You Sir seem at odds with everything including party affiliation..

 

Do you even know what’s in the Mississippi legislation? A woman has the first 15 weeks of her pregnancy to decide about aborting her child. That isn’t forcing anyone into a back alley abortion, it’s calling for personal responsibility. If Roe v Wade is overturned the decision on abortion will go back to the states where it belongs.

 

OK, I apologize for insulting you. My comment was actually directed at the national leadership, not individual voters. As a matter of fact, I still vote Republican in local elections, but I will never again trust
Republicans in national positions. OK, maybe a couple like Senator Rand Paul.

 

Anyone who hasn't already noticed that the Republican Party has been taken over by its former extremist faction-- from the John Birch Society, to the Buchananites, to the Tea Partiers, to the, now, devotees of Trump, and even White Nationalist militia members-- must be in a de facto coma of political awareness, & so (in most instances) is unlikely to be suddenly awakened by this one case, having made its way to the highest court in our land. It has been no secret that Republican state legislatures across the country have been pursuing this course. If this seems merely a tactical mistake of a Party that you still think of as being governed by responsible principles, may I suggest that it is time for you to recognize that the rabble is now running the show, or that the inmates have taken control of the prison, or whatever colorful image for this idea, that you find most suitable.

 

This is what you get when you failed to grasp that a vote for anyone but Hillary in 2016 let the door open for such a court to take away your rights. Shame on all women who did not vote for her or who stayed at home in 2016. The right made this a rallying cry, the left must do so or we are on our way to Gilead state by state.

 

Interesting. For the majority of us, who are not such SCOTUS, or Constitutional law, devotees as yourself, would you be so kind as to explain your divisions, and which Justices fall within each? Otherwise, I don't think your post will be appreciated by most.

 

What is extremist about the Tea Party?

 

How the logic escapes you is appalling. Using your inconsistent logic on abortion..... You have a choice to have a new state with Roe v. Wade overturned. Is that what you want women to be told?