No one's forgetting history, but I don't believe today's Germans need to answer for the sins of the Nazis. Still, the European bailout countries are accepting a lot more than mere lectures from Germany now.
Funny coming a person defending the British. But think about this.. it's Germany bailing out Europe, not the UK.
its all a house of cards, the EU will inevitably collapse. Germany isnt immune and has serious issues of its own, economic and social.
Mmmm......isn't all the CEO of Highland council and every other council mere extensions and enforcers of the government of the moment....and their policies???? Now that wouldn't be EC regulations but GOVERNMENT POLICY! Yip main parties??? do you not notice a little problem with this sentence and your logic...puny SNP??? Your bias is showing......The main parties.....are English! Mmmm.... run by the German Aristocracy! You show your agreement with me..by attempting to place the corruption North of the border! Sorry...its all your lot that should be going to the Internsational Courts of the Hague..not prison...but that could be considered for the mean time! For the corruption of the banks....Tax....MFI ......to mention a few trillion stolen. ie bLair, Brown, Cameron, etc etc and their whole corrupt cabinets past and present! We might take a lesson from Iceland! Wonder why England won't allow the extradition of the afore mentioned Iceland W/B ankers??? I would be more than happy to pay myself for a one way ticket for one of them!!!!! But then the truth would be out!!! King John had the right idea.....when bankers were allowed to get away with this previously in banking history..King John had them all castrated! Regards Highlander
It's reparations for the first world war all over again! (hopefully the history enthusiasts should appreciate the irony) Apparently, Europeans still blame Germany for plunging the continent into the second world war. And they will not let the germans forget it. The UN is all about german guilt.
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Do you ever check? You really should. All government contracts above a certain amount MUST be advertised Europe wide in the Official Journal of the European Union, which can only be accessed online. It has quite a wide ranging website. It states ... "OJEC stands for the Official Journal of the European Community (OJEC is now recognised as OJEU - the Official Journal of the European Union). This is the publication in which all tenders from the public sector which are valued above a certain financial threshold according to EU legislation, must be published. The legislation covers organisations and projects that receive public money. Organisations such as Local Authorities, NHS Trusts, MOD, Central Government Departments and Educational Establishments are all covered by the legislation." The government transposes EU policy into national policy in a rubber stamping operation, though some member states' governments are less willing to comply than others. The SNP, though, has not uttered a squeak about defying the EU, so "the CEO of Highland council and every other council" are "mere extensions and enforcers" of the EU's policies! I'm being entirely logical. The SNP is the mainstream party in Scotland and it's puny in the sense that it cannot influence the EU. However, it may do what it likes within those EU policies just like any other member state's government can. All the mainstream parties, English and Scottish, are run the by EU and they seem to like it that way. Some other states of course have few qualms about disregarding rules that don't suit them, but all states risk being taken to the European Courts of Justice if they don't comply. There are no appeals against its judgements and its remit is to safeguard the EU treaties, ie it sides with the EU. How have I attempted to place corruption north of the border? I haven't because it exists, to varying degrees, everywhere, and which laws have "my lot" broken? Be specific please, not that they are "my lot" as I haven't voted for them. I have no idea. Ask someone who supports them. I do know that UKIP has been very supportive of Iceland over the banking crisis and has recommended that the bailout countries take similar action. Tut, tut! That would never do for the EU. Article 3 of the ECHR states: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." If you must be so melodramiatic, at least check your facts properly first.
Mmmn......your bias is showing ....... again! Margaret Thatcher, stopped allowing the Scottish nation from calling themselves Scottish. Wonder why that could be??? Perhaps it had something to do with England being allowed 4 ministers of Europe and Scotland 3. By disallowing the Scottish nation from calling itself Scottish but now British, hey poof....now seven ENGLISH ministers of Europe! Yes renowned for gerrymandering! But the facts speak for themselves....history speaks for itself! Oooh......but thank god for the EU.....and a little help Ireland forced your Margaret Thatcher from forcing more mad cow diseased meat into the mouth of English children! English meat couldn't be given away to starving nations...even they refused English meat. Yes thank god for the EC. Oooh....and actual holidays.....thank god again for the EC. Oh and what about human rights enshrined in law! Yes you Thatcherite's must be turning in your quagmire! Oooh...rendition......thank god the EC is looking into the rendition and torture of the ENGLISH military machine! Banking and you have no idea...that is very correct and factual! As for Iceland.....and banker's hiding in London! SNP Puny.......well time will tell! But please note......its the Scottish nation that'll decide.....not your Corrupt Aristocracy and Tory rabble! We have our own for that rogues which we can sort out! Admittedly not in the same class as yours but sort them out we will, you can carry on carrying yours without redress to Scottish assets! But you have a nice day any ways! Regards Highlander
Highlander, So the fact that public contracts won't be undertaken by council's in-house anymore isn't even worth a comment despite your earlier complaints? If you can't blame your grievances on the English, suddenly they're no longer grievances? Is that it? Never heard of this. Do you have a link? Eh? There is only one minister for Europe at any one time. At the moment, it's David Liddington, and yeah, I know, he's a nonetity, and that's always been the case. If you mean the ministers who sit in the Council*, they're chosen by the government of the day, and the Scots had plenty of influence over the last government as you know. And as for Mad Cow Disease ... it was a disease that caused panic in Europe, but EU officials later admitted that it imposed a worldwide ban on British beef sales because of confidence concerns affecting the European market, not health ones. France, according to French scientists, had an even bigger problem with the disease than Britain, but, being France, it was not reported as such. France also never paid the fines imposed on it by the EU when it illegally refused British beef when the ban was finally lifed. Like we never had human rights before, and our human rights have never been as threatened as they are now and the EU doesn't want to know. The EU is even responsible for some of the abuses in the form of the European Arrest Warrant and restrictions on free speech. And I'm not a Thatcherite. Stop making ridiculously crass assumptions. In politically motivated judgements. Fantastic. I'd trust the British army over the European Commission every single time. And thank God for it? Unelected, democratically unaccountable, bureaucratic, massively expensive and corrupt (and corruption that makes MPs look like rank amatuers too). Er, no thanks! You might not have noticed but countries outside the EU have holidays too. Most countries have moved on without the EU. Some are even fortunate enough to operate without the red tape that strangles small businesses and deters many of them from taking on staff. Y'know how the people vote for the politicians and those politicians change the policies of the previous incumbents if they disagree with them? Not so in the EU, new governments can only work within policies, driven by directives laid down by the Commission. They can't change any of them without the approval of the majority, and they'll rarely get it. From someone who sees conspiracy theories before he ever accounts for facts that's quite amusing. So see a Tory or Labour supporters. The Tories are in power now, Labour were in power when the Icelandic banking sector collapsed. Time has already told with the deceit of the SNP. A quick look at what the party's politicians have said should tell you that. For example, the party's website should says lots of nice complimentary things about Iceland and tells us that "independence has given Iceland the freedom to become a world leader. Its the best thing that ever happened to Iceland. It could be the best thing that ever happens to Scotland too." Conveniently, it fails to say that Iceland is not a member of the EU, so Scotland cannot follow Iceland's example at all. Salmond's cries about influencing the EU are the same as the Tories and Labour promises to put us at the "heart of the EU" and to "change it from within". They're just platitudes to keep the voters happy, nothing more. Denmark has a similar sized population to Scotland and it has about a 2.5% share of the vote in the Council*. What could Scotland do with a 2.5% share? It can't even be a European leader, much less a world one. (The UK has 8% and can't do much, with the biggest share going to Germany with 9.5%, though Germany as the main paymaster has the power that realistically goes with that.) Great! Petition Salmond to hold your referendum NOW! Please note ... we English are getting fed up with you whining about English control when it's within Scottish control to separate, not ours. PLEASE have your referendum ASAP!
Hello there! In light of the recent riots and the sick behaviour exhibited towards citizens, property, and the police, I propose the following e-petition: "Introduce zero-tolerance policing to the cities of London, Birmingham, and Manchester" .... as well as the freezing of any planned cuts in police budgets for the remainder of this parliament. 100,000 signatures and the House of Parliament ought to debate this petition - the road to proper democracy is a long one, but one that starts here ladies and gentlemen! - sign below if you want Britains streets to remain safe for your friends, neighbours and family....SIGN BELOW http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/13062
The looting and arson was utterly disgusting , as has been the looting by our leaders and politicians which preceded it. I persuaded / convinced many young people to use their first vote to get a Lib-Dem candidate elected - My main "carrot" was that this was the only party which had PROMISED to oppose increased tuition fees. The votes cast by these young people were, in their words, STOLEN - But Nick Cleg has not been charged with any offence -Nick STOLE Millions of votes, and destroyed the faith of many young people in the political process - these young people will not vote again, they now know that the "leaders" are liars and thiefs - that they cannot trust a single word these people say. Now, I am not saying that these particular young people (who had / have aspirations for higher education and self improvement) are as a result more prone to participate in social mayhem and looting.. Or that those at the other "lower" end of the spectrum would have been influenced one way or the other by Nick's act of grand looting.. But.. If we look at the youth continuum - from the most responsible down to the most reactive - and realize that there is interaction between those in this continuum, we can see how weakening of the belief in the social system can trickle down - Those who voted Lib Dem and were robbed, are less likely to (and less empowered to) influence weaker youngsters - They have lost hope (I know one "borderline" young man who had been into drugs, has appalling parents, but had with help and support from myself and others been able to pull himself together in his final school year and aim for higher education - he is bright but poor - and he lost all hope when he was robbed of his vote by Nick and the Eastleigh MP he helped to put into Westminster). It is not those at the bottom who orchestrated the riots - those at the bottom do not have the skills to do so.. It is the brighter youngsters who are full of rage at society who have the ability to orchestrate small groups and use the communication technology to do this. It is not the "gangs" who mainly "engineered" or profited from the riots - the gangs probably lost more in drug sales due to the increased police presence than they could have made from the looting. There is no sole cause - But "fixing" the problem needs to start at the top - We have seen corrupt politicians, corrupt police, corrupt press, and absurd knee-jerk reactions from our "leaders" of all political persuasion. We cannot "mend Britain" while we have THIEFS running this country!
British Nationality Act 1981. Thatcher took this in to take full control over Scotland and to restrict Scotland right to control its own destiny. As for the English military...as I once served in the British forces, I know the difference between operational needs and wanton destruction of the rules of war and crimes against humanity! You on the other hand do not, an emotional creature, who defends the indefensibly as you have no understanding or unable to distinguish between the ideals our forefather fought! You make me laugh.....France in a panic.....it was Thatcher the greedy self serving demands and of those privileged aristocracy and land owners that brought the problem to England in the first place with self regulation and greed! Aaah the Thatcher dream! It was only when they tried to force the Irish to take cattle that the stupidity of the thatcher government came to the fore. The EC banned for the health of the English nation the meat that was conterminated with BSE..which was everything on four hoofs! The Irish were forced to slaughter herds of cattle as they showed signs of BSE. It was eventually established with out doubt the cattle had been imported from England! Yet they, the tory grandees still carried on with the same greedy self serving demeanour, English people didn't matter, nor any other nation of the UK! So no difference there then! Iceland.....it also tell you of the corrupt English banking practices and the corrupt bankers hiding the Icelandic bankers. It also tells you of the new constitution by the people of the people to ensure that the corrupt English banking practices doesn't happen again! But you, in your naïvety, can carry on making you great grandchildren pay for there greed today! As for our inalienable right to self determination, territorial integrity and sovereignty ...... The rights are ours, regardless of your political bias bigotry or ignorance! But you have a nice day.....keep supporting those facists in your government, perhaps at some later date, we'll send some educators to teach you right from wrong, education removes political ignorance and teaches us our rights as human beings.......as well as the rights of others to the basic right to life etc...something which your English Tory government, (of which your so proud) murdering, even torturing those men women and children in Afghanistan Iraq, Libya etc! Proud...you should be bloody ashamed! Mind you its like the good old days...when Churchill invented the first concentration camps, murdering the women and children and old Boer people! Aye things never change do they! Regards Highlander
Did you pick an act at random and hope for the best? The British government had no more control over Scotland after this act than they'd had before. And Thatcher in no way "stopped allowing the Scottish nation from calling themselves Scottish". Your nationalism takes you into a fantasy world. Oh please. What is now termed "crimes against humanity" has always happened in conflicts across the world. It doesn't make it right, but it's nothing new and it applies to a minority. And how did you manage in an institution as British as the British forces? You must have had steam coming out of yours ears constantly at being under a British command structure! Or did your nationalism come after your service? I didn't say France was in a panic, but the EU (which had had control of agricultural policy for some years) overreacted after British scientists predicted hundreds of thousands of deaths from BSE. The fact that they could not prove a link and the ban was applied only to the UK when other EU states had BSE infected cattle seemed to be completely irrelevant to it. Do you actually believe the EU banned us from eating our own beef for the sake of our or anyone else's health? Seriously? The EU Commission admitted that was not the case anyway. But still no link between BSE and human deaths. It was idiotic to feed animal bones to cows though, but people bought that type of food because it was cheaper. If you'd said that, I'd have agreed with you. How true, but for many other reasons. And corrupt Scottish banking practices? What of them? The biggest UK banking bailouts were of Scottish banks. The controls should never have been removed in the way they were. Still making your utterly, ridiculously crass assumptions, I see. I never even remotely suggested that Scotland should not have the right to determine its own future. Alex Salmond of course has other ideas. He will sell out your rights to the EU, which will take away your self-determination, territorial integrity and sovereignty without its conscience being troubled. I don't have anything to be ashamed of, but my patience is exhausted by your prejudices. Why not try dealing with what actually I've said, instead using so many strawman arguments next time? But you did make me laugh when you say I'm an emotional creature. And the Treaty of Nice is ten years old. Try the much more recent Lisbon Treaty. You might remember that as the Constitiution which had to be be re-packaged after being rejected in referenda in France, the Netherlands and Ireland?
As I said previously...your bias etc. Divide and conquer...Salmon says.....its up to the nation! (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that......you cannot gerrymander this as your lot has done ooh so many times previously! Where is the straw???? Banks are corrupt.....fact! Since long before Brown gave away the bank of england.....the end is nigh! But brown only did what his master told him to do!!! You need to look closer to home to find the real rogues! Try the pretenders! Thatcher stopped Scotland from having 3 ministers in Europe...that is a fact! Thatcher stopped Scottish people from placing Scottish as nationality on there passports as was the case since the inception of passports! But you have a good day...Tory Cameron is well at work murdering more innocents! Regards Highlander
All recent polls show that Scottish voters are set against Independence. The % in favour is in the 20's and currently falling.... (2011) Even the SNP's philosophy of gradual eradication of Westminster powers over Scotland has luke warm support and will surely be thrown out when the SNP pluck up the courage to take the slainted Referendum to the voters. Hopefully then it will burry the issue for at least a few generations as most Scottish voters are sickening of the SNP stance on Independance, and find the endless Narcissistic drivel of the rapid Independence followers tiresome. There only hope has been to endlessly play the anti-Tory card - but it is loosing its appeal as most British people have accepted the case for Gevernment spending cuts. As they watch the EU struggle with their Euro crisis and are thankful we remain part of the UK.
Erm Lunecat, I'd love to know what polls these were as the ones I have looked at recently have all stated the opposite, that the call for independence is in fact growing. The people of Scotland are recognising what the SNP has done for the country thus far and showing their support more. The sooner this union is ended the better off the Scots will be in every way. Under Alex. Salmond and his government we are already doing better than our southern neighbours.
My impression is shared with Lunecat. Wee Eck is putting off the referendum vote as long as possible to work on garnering enough support, because he doesn't have it right now. It won't happen till the end of this session when the inevitable cuts which are to come will be blamed on the London government. The Tories in Scotland have been an irrelevance for so long now, the frontrunner for their leadership is talking of ditching the toxic "Conservative" brand name for something less offensive to Scots. Cameron in power in London is a blessing for Salmond.
The SNP have always said that the referendum would come in the second half of this parliamentary term. Strikes me as rather self-serving that the unionist political parties (and their voters) who refused to support a referendum bill in the last Parliament, which may well settled everything to their advantage, given the devolution max option, are now pouting and stamping their feet because the SNP won't let them choose the timing for our Independence referendum yet again. Kinda remember them saying then that it was the wrong time for a referendum on independence.....which implies that there is a right time........but it seems that that right time is when the Unionists say so. Interesting to see that the Westminster government is adding its usual extra hurdle as they did in 1979 with the 40% rule, by saying that we Scots have to have TWO referenda because we appear to be too thick to have just one with a choice of preferred options. But then again, the tendency for Westminster not to play fair is grist to the Nationalist mill...so carry on whining, footstamping and scaremongering, all you Unionists. Can't understand why the rest of the UK wants to hold onto the subsidy junkies from hades.......unless it is because we actually do more than pay our way.
Latest figures (5th September) puts those for independence at 39% those against at 38% and 23% don't know yets! Where do you get your figures? Herald Scotland
