Long Covid: even faker than you thought

More evidence that "long Covid" is not an actual health issue. A new study from Australia lead by Dr John Gerrard, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer indicates that "long Covid" does not exist.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p...=true#:~:text=The term “long,it within months.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1037611#:~:text=“In health systems,or the variant.

 

Nothing fake about 3%.

Queensland’s Chief Health Officer suggests changing the name because it implies that long term recovery symptoms are unique to covid and only covid. Nothing he says suggests that the condition is 'fake'.

Hopefully they can find the cause and cure for long-term viral recovery syndromes.

 

Is there long term influenza? Is there long term shingles? Is there long term common cold? No. But there are those who are affected from these and many other common diseases long term.

The use of the adjective "fake" refers to singling out Covid as the only disease which may have long term effects.

 

Another perspective on this from Dr. Makary who does use the term Long Covid but decries the politicization of the term and subsequent justification for research ($1.2 B with zero return) and spending on a common occurrence with all such diseases whilst other areas of research go unfunded.

Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and author of “The Price We Pay.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-exaggeration-of-long-covid-overmedicalization-research-mortality-children-bivalent-restrictions-11670857268#:~:text=Given the broad,including long Covid.

 

Another fact based opinion from a psychiatrist who has experience with symptoms deriving from psychological factors unrelated to actual infection. Again it is noted that over $1B has been allocated to researching a condition which is not uncommon and may actually be psychosomatic.

Dr. Devine is a resident psychiatrist at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-du...:~:text=‘Long Covid,” or,in Hamilton, Ontario.

 

A rather unsurprising thread, where in full view is a forest, but we get a few twigs of evidence. Otherwise known as cherry-picking!

Long COVID: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations - PMC (nih.gov)
"Long COVID (sometimes referred to as ‘post-acute sequelae of COVID-19’) is a multisystemic condition comprising often severe symptoms that follow a severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection. At least 65 million individuals around the world have long COVID, based on a conservative estimated incidence of 10% of infected people and more than 651 million documented COVID-19 cases worldwide1; the number is likely much higher due to many undocumented cases. The incidence is estimated at 10–30% of non-hospitalized cases, 50–70% of hospitalized cases2,3 and 10–12% of vaccinated cases4,5. Long COVID is associated with all ages and acute phase disease severities, with the highest percentage of diagnoses between the ages of 36 and 50 years, and most long COVID cases are in non-hospitalized patients with a mild acute illness6, as this population represents the majority of overall COVID-19 cases. There are many research challenges, as outlined in this Review, and many open questions, particularly relating to pathophysiology, effective treatments and risk factors.

Hundreds of biomedical findings have been documented, with many patients experiencing dozens of symptoms across multiple organ systems7 (Fig. 1). Long COVID encompasses multiple adverse outcomes, with common new-onset conditions including cardiovascular, thrombotic and cerebrovascular disease8, type 2 diabetes9, myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS)10,11 and dysautonomia, especially postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS)12 (Fig. 2). Symptoms can last for years13, and particularly in cases of new-onset ME/CFS and dysautonomia are expected to be lifelong14. With significant proportions of individuals with long COVID unable to return to work7, the scale of newly disabled individuals is contributing to labour shortages15. There are currently no validated effective treatments."

NIH Launches Clinical Trials for Long COVID Treatments | NIH COVID-19 Research
"Most people infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, recover within about a week. But others have symptoms that linger for weeks, months, or even years after diagnosis, or their symptoms go away but return months later. Known as Long COVID, this condition affects millions of people — as many as one in five who are infected with the virus. The symptoms are extremely variable, can involve nearly any bodily system, and can be debilitating."

Long Covid and Impaired Cognition — More Evidence and More Work to Do | NEJM
"During the early stages of the Covid-19 pandemic, reports emerged that persons who had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 were having lingering health problems. Such long-term issues were collectively referred to as “long Covid” and were reported to affect nearly every organ system.1 The cardinal features of long Covid include fatigue, dysautonomia (or postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome), postexertional malaise, and cognitive difficulties that are colloquially referred to as “brain fog.”

Several large studies then emerged documenting the presence of neurologic sequelae — including cognition and memory problems — in the postacute phase of SARS-CoV-2 infection.2,3 A recent analysis of the U.S. Current Population Survey showed that after the start of the Covid-19 pandemic, an additional one million U.S. residents of working age reported having “‘serious difficulty’ remembering, concentrating, or making decisions” than at any time in the preceding 15 years.4 Whether these changes are attributable solely to long Covid is unclear, but that report represents a change in the cognitive health of U.S. residents from prepandemic levels.

In a study published in this issue of the Journal, Hampshire et al.5 bring greater clarity to how SARS-CoV-2 infection may affect cognition. They studied 800,000 adults from a larger community sample of more than 3 million persons in the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (REACT) study of SARS-CoV-2 transmission in England. Using an online assessment tool for cognitive function with eight domains, the investigators estimated global cognitive scores among participants who had been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and had had symptoms that persisted at least 12 weeks, whether resolved or not, and among uninfected participants."

 

$1.2B (are you kidding me) spent on research on long term effects of a viral infection? All viral infections have long term effects in some people. Where is the return? There is no return. Money wasted which could have been invested in cancer research.

 

Study Shows ‘Long Flu’ Is Real, but Long COVID Is Worse (verywellhealth.com)
"“Long flu,” like long COVID, is a catch-all term used to describe the long-term effects of a flu infection. Al-Aly said this term is rarely used because the long-term outcomes of flu are typically overlooked. “Because we all lived under the assumption that you get the flu, you get over it,” he said. The long-term manifestations of the illness tend to come in the form of lingering respiratory problems, like lung fibrosis or shortness of breath. While the latest research iterates the seriousness of a flu infection, it also indicates that COVID can wreak havoc in the body in even more severe and sustained ways than the flu does."
Post-herpetic neuralgia - NHS (www.nhs.uk)
"Post-herpetic neuralgia is a lasting pain in the areas of your skin where you had shingles. Around one in five people with shingles will get post-herpetic neuralgia. People age 50 and over are particularly at risk. Many people with post-herpetic neuralgia make a full recovery within a year. But symptoms occasionally last for several years or may be permanent."
'Long colds' are a thing, like long Covid say experts - BBC News
""Long colds" can be a thing in the same way that "long Covid" is, with some people experiencing prolonged symptoms after an initial infection, according to a UK study.
Common long cold symptoms included a cough, stomach pain and diarrhoea.The findings come from 10,171 adults who completed questionnaires.More work is needed to understand who is at risk, how bad it can be and what can be done about it, experts say.

Errr Yes! I strongly suggest you do some googling before you post!

Diversionary hyperbole. It exists.
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As discussed in the links I posted there are always certain individuals that have long term effects of diseases. I am actually one of them. But there has never been a term such as Long Term Shingles to justify spending $1.2 B. That’s a waste of money which could be spent on real health problems. Where is the return on the $1.2B$. What has been learned to prevent “long term covid”?

 

I just showed you to be 100% wrong and you fail to acknowledge it! Shingles isn't quite as lethal as covid-19!

It is only AFTER the OBVIOUS effects of long-covid, that medical research has picked up the baton to try and also combat long-flu/long cold. Your ridiculous indignation at spending 1.2 billion is irrelevant! I wonder what you even think that means. "Spending" money on research isn't like wasting it! The money creates employment, development, product, sales, taxation and a whole cycle of benefits. Improving health lowers costs. Why don't you go research your own questions?

Another stupid covid conspiracy thread.

 

Some people will never accept they were lied to about so much for so long. To this day, you see people like Bernie Sanders wearing a mask.

 

You have showed nothing. The links I have posted showed that there is nothing abnormal about a viral disease having long term consequences in certain individuals. The claim that there is something special about covid which seriously affects only a very limited segment of the population by creating the term "Long Covid" makes no sense. And spending $1.2B on research on the long term affects is ludicrous when cancer remains a killer in the world we live in. The money is being wasted. Your comment on the economics is a variation of the broken window economic fallacy.

What benefit has resulted from the $1.2 B? The answer is nothing. What benefit has been lost by diverting this money away from cancer research? We will never know.

 

He, and you, are wrong.
As with all "science," if you're willing to be malleable with your data, you can "prove" anything.

But as a person who had it, for 5 months after testing negative, I can tell you it is both real and debilitating.

 

Sorry for your problem. Hopefully you are fine now.

There are always those who suffer long term effects from viral infections. That's also true of Covid. But there are more who have had long term effects of influenza.

 

It is an established fact that publicizing a health condition will result in more "cases" of it. This in no way a reference to yourself.

 

Comparing elephants and saxophones.

Long Covid is both real and debilitating and different than residual effects of flu, etc.

My theory on this is that COVID interacts with the brain altering brain chemistry.
The "brain fog" that results varies in degree from person to person, not unlike a strong concussion.
You may show no symptoms whereas for me it was like being "punch drunk."

To claim its impact on those who've had it is unimportant is to demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of its impact. Debilitating, for many, is the correct word.

 

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Some people are hypochondriacs....Established fact.
Irrelevant fact, but established.

 

It's completely relevant in that a false "epidemic" of "Long Covid" cases can result creating a feedback loop based on apprehension and fear.

 

Perhaps, then, you should start a thread about the psychology of hypochondria.

Still irrelevant to the fact that long covid is and its effects can be severely debilitating.

 

Again sorry you had to go through this. You are okay now?

 

Sure, thanks.

12 aspirin, a bottle of coke at 34 degrees and a monster 1st thing in the morning for 6 months did the trick.

 

Good to hear.

 

Every damn time. I cannot ever recall any conspiracy theorist acknowledging any mistake!

YES THERE ARE! You were wrong and I showed you why!

Why don't you answer your own damn questions!? The answer is not nothing! One of many:
Researching long COVID | NIHR

 

Those who swallow the "Long Covid" fantasy, are those same individuals who also swallow the targeted countertransference of the WHO/U.N./WEF/NIH/DAVOS/JHCHS/ and their partnership with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation pushing their mass media driven covid PSYOPS!