Malaysian Muslim man marries 11-year-old Thai girl

If you don't care of what I think, end this conversation.

We're not world cop.

Christianity spred peacefull, the time of peacefull christianity ended with the treaty of thelassonic, and in a symbolic way with the murder of Hypathia of Alexandria, Islam was violent from the start. It doesn't make the violence commited in name of christianity forgivable, but christianity was peacefull its 4 first century.
Furthermore, that's for thousand of years that our culture is christian, and it's christianity who gave it best moments to Europe, from a cultural and technological point of view.

Yes. And ? Christianity was violent, congratulations you opened a book once in your life.

Christians not allowed to build church. Good example.

The St Barthelemy yes, and ?

Yes, it's the problem of christianity, it's not a natural morale, at the opposite of roman empire morale.

Humans are humans, every people in every population have the potential to be a Martin Luther King or a genocider. At the exception of by the way culture practicing cannibalism and human sacrifice (and stoning alive a woman is a human sacrifice, same thing for burning a witch).
However only islam pretended to forbid music and painting.

It's writen in Sahih Bukhari that muslims will kill all jews in the end of the time, so it's not like it's public that muslims project to kill every non muslims and especially the jews.

Yes, and it doesn't countersay what I wrote.

I neither like the policies of Bush and Obama, so...

Two wrong doesn't make a right.

Let's hope he don't, he already proved to have a mouth bigger than his hands.

Still commited by the Indonesian.

I don't deny the problem of corruption in the west.

Yes, the pope should launch a crusade against cartels. Nowodays christian are degenerated.

Thanks technologies, and the start of european technological developpment started during middle age and welcome in the real world. I never heard of a country who used their might to do humanist things.

Tunisia is pretty good. Lebanon was good too, before muslims started a civil war.

Building weapons and having big armies doesn't mean you're violent.

Western governments are at the service of big corporations, you have other obviousness to state ?

Norm and values invented by the west, the west isn't the world.

Thieving a thief. Does it make you a thief ?

[uqote]Hang on. Mohammed made a peace deal with the Jews. And he killed them Jews who breached that deal during a war. Punishment of high treason is death. And according to todays norms in the US,... perfectly acceptable. That's not the same as the Jews whose god supports genocide of totally innocent people in the land of Canaan as justified to thieve the land.[/QUOTE]

However, selling the wives and children of the "traitors" aren't acceptable to todays norms in the US. And no, the US as violent they can be never executed all the civilian of some iraqi or afghan villages who sheltered and helped terrorists.
Furthermore, it's the story muslims told, nothing proof it's the truth.

Another view is that Muhammed claimed first to be a religious refugee, and the jews accepted him for that, it happened that Muhammed was attacking caravans, and that is true aim, aim that he will almost achieve at this end of his life was to conquer the whole arabia. They tried to stop that psychopath who deceived them.

 

It just show that the western civilization can't coexist with muslims. Most muslims inside western civilization seek to its destruction.

 

Just saying that when you express that you don't care, that such a thing aint really some argument.

More like the world bully.

I just put up numerous occasions that Christianity was not peaceful against it's own self,... hence it's just a joke of a comment that you claim it was peaceful to others. Putting it specifically on US history,... the US Christians vs indigenous population wasn't peaceful. It was genocidal. And them slaves they took from Africa where they got converted to Christianity,... I don't call that peaceful out of free choice.

You say that and totally bs fake news with "Christianity spred peacefull"
The Roman emperor Constantine demanded to become Christian or lose your head. That covers most of Europe. It's just like what the Spanish did in their global empire. And that covers most of latin America. It wiped out all the indigenous religions on 2 continents.

Plenty of churches on Indonesia. Indonesia is the biggest muslim country on the planet, and got a democracy.

Makes "Christianity spred peacefull" fake news.

no it did not.

That's islamophobic fake news:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...of-an-antisemitic_us_58da7e56e4b0e96354656eb6

It puts the amount of Muslims on 6%. That is very far from your 20.

Irrelevant to what Christian leaders of the US have done.
And it does not compare well with what Muslims have done.

So much for calling this lies.

Still fully supported and sponsored by the Christian/Jewish west.
And that makes the US fully complicit.

So you admit the Christian/Jewish west is fully complicit to atrocities around the world.

So much for ranting Muslim countries with no oil got poor economies. Plenty of examples about dirt poor Christian countries around.

Muslim countries in the middle ages were far more advanced that Christian countries. And here you admit Christian countries spread terror with their technologies.

Just a moment in time.

It's a fact that it is like that.

A group called AIPAC is nothing but religious ethnic interests group to get billions of taxes, for military oppressing of Muslims and thieve their land.

It's signed by the world. So it's the norms and values of the world.
And the west breaches norms about ethnic cleansing when it feels like it.
And here you are on your high horse about Muslims. While you're riding a Shetland pony.

It's not thieving a thief.

Pff. Let me remind you that you wrote "Muslims sworn to kill every jews during the time of the life of Muhammed"
And it's just fanatically islamophobic hateful fake news.

That was a tit for tat, when he and his followers had to flee and leave everything behind.

There were armies around them days of 10.000's of men. And all the battles combined under Mohammed... only 1000 men died in total. And they claim this was done to protect Muslim lives. All in all... it's just more of your islamophobic hateful fake news. It really does not compare well to what the west has done.

 

source?

 

[quot€]I just put up numerous occasions that Christianity was not peaceful against it's own self,... hence it's just a joke of a comment that you claim it was peaceful to others. Putting it specifically on US history,... the US Christians vs indigenous population wasn't peaceful. It was genocidal. And them slaves they took from Africa where they got converted to Christianity,... I don't call that peaceful out of free choice.[/quote]

I said during the three first centuries.

At the very beginning, yes, then no.

Paganism was forbidden at the thelassonic treaty in 390, Constantin was an *******, no big secret. The spanish inquisition was forged by centuries of islamic occupation, no wonder why spanish became such ruthless people, but that's how is life, you're either ruthless, or you get killed.

So ?

From memory, St Barthelemy around 1590, thelassonic treaty was around 390, that was a long time the peacefull time of christianity ended. Even if there is some interisting thougts by Las Casas or Francis of Assisa who were deeply peacefull men, can't say the same about the rest of the civilization, but it was a brillant civilization. Who cares that a civilization kill some people as long at it's brillant and produce new technologies ?

Sahih Bukhari :
From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.'

Sahih Muslim :
A'isha reported that Gabriel (peace be upon him) made a promise with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: 'A'isha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.

I won't give my personnal informations to the huffington post as it's required before reading the article, so I won't read that. Furthermore, this hadith exist, it's a hadith in Sahih Bukhari, and Sahih Bukhari is one of the most important of Islam, I doubt that you or a huffington post accept that.

I speak of 20 % of birth with muslim names, you speak of 6 % of the population, furthermore, probably old numbers. So no, your numbers doesn't countersay mine.

Not really, the bushobamah horrors doesn't make islamic horrors less horrific. What's you next step : WW1 was irrelevant because WW2 made much more victims ?

I would formally recognize my mistake to any members of this forum but you.

Still commited by muslims forces.

The "christian" west, which isn't christian anymore for a part, is much more that its corrupted leaders. I don't think responsible for the pitifull acts of Sarkozy, Macron, Bush or Obamah. The "christian" west was much more of that, even if, at least for Europe, it became culturally an empty shell.

Christianity became decadent and lazy.

A myth invented by "christians" traitors to their own civilization. Myth that muslims love. Maybe for the 4th century-10th century, and the poverty of Europe were largely caused by the southern barbarian constantly raiding southern europea, until that the reachest part of Europe, for centuries. The poverty of Europe during middle age was caused by the constant muslims agressions.
But for the 11th century-15th century, it's another story, Europe invented plenty of things, printing, blast furnace, clockworks, quaranteen, ships able to reach the other side of the atlantic, glasses (they owned a lot about optic toward islamic spain), engines like trebuchet show well the genius of those times.
The european middle ages is a myth, that almost no historian consider seriously, a myth invented by traitors.

"Christian" countries does a lot of things with their technologies, good things, bad things, they use their technologies in a human way. Both for good things and bad things. The western world give a lot too to international GNO who try to help people

A moment who could have lasted.

No switzerland has a big army and produce a lot of weapons, it's a very peacefull country.

Signed by some leaders, it doesn't mean anything in the heart of people around the world. And it's signed only for diplomatic interest, not because it mean something.

Right now, Europe is commiting not a genocide, but an ethnocide on themselve for respecting the human rights of the invaders named migrants/refugees.

I can give you that, the picture made me smile, as false it is.

Funny, there were no arabic people in the 5th century in this region and now there is only arabic people. How do you explain that otherwise by the complete extermination of the locals ?

That's a fact, like it or not, it's in sahih bukhari.

A thief with a lot of excuses, still a thief and a bandit, the roman tended to cruficy on the border of roads people like that.

Not really, it's not that different, the west was mighty and conquer ? So what. You really thing that Iranian and Pakistanis became muslims by themselves ? No. They were invaded/enslaved/killed. Pakistan have even a region named "hindu kush" the slaughter of muslims. We have more documents about what occured in the west. So we have a more precise ideas of the number of victims. Islam killed probably more people, but we lack of historic evidences to be sure of the number of victims. But the west, at least invented things Islam was so violent, that just after the death of their prophet, Aisha and Ali were already at war at each other and Ali was murdered while praying. That's how behaved the "salafis", the first and the best of muslims. Killing someone when he was defenseless praying. Christianity became corrupted too, but it needed more time.

Anyway, every civilization is build on some blood, Gengis Khan slaughtered so many people, the west killed a lot of people, the muslims were very good at that, the aztecs were blood thirsty. That's a fatality, every country is build on one or two slaughters.
So, the only thing a civilization can bring to humanity is not playing the false nice guys. Human nature will come back anyway, and slaughters will appear back. So, the only thing possible is at least to leave a decent artistic and scientific legacy.

That's bronzino


That. That what was Europe was before becoming degenerates..
People who get offended by some hairs and some drawings can't accept this civilization and can only seek to its destruction.

 

The Inquisition wasn't in the first 3 centuries.
How about you pick up a history book?

Also... exceptionally hypocritical of you. You drag in the first 3 centuries with Mohammed,
but when it's about Christianity... I need to forget them years.

utter nonsense. It's well known the Jews fled those Spain when the Catholics were massacring anybody who refused to convert. Loads fled to the tolerant Muslim Ottoman empire.

So you bring up fake news saying it aint so.

You claimed Christianity was peaceful. And that St. Bartholomew's Day massacre was like a genocide of 5K to 30K.
So much for that claim. All you do is distract that you're making everything up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_art
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_music

Oh here... have an other one:
https://abuaminaelias.com/hadith-of-the-gharqad-tree-is-it-a-good-deed-to-kill-jews-in-islam/
And indeed, that Hadith exists, what also exists are Islamophobes who rip things out of context to spread their message of hate.

Your source is probably some fake alt right source. Here is mine
https://www.behindthename.com/top/lists/france/2010
Mohammed makes it as name on 33th spot with hardly more than 1/2 a %.
I'm not impressed.

It does. Because what is "horrific"? And indeed, WWII was more horrific than WWI.

Well I sourced you wrong, just as I sourced you being wrong about that Hadith.

You can point your finger at Iran for supporting Hezbollah, and call it aiding terrorism. But the US supported something more horrific. And that's just one example. That Christian/Jewish nation sponsors terrorism like that all over the globe.

You're just distracting and wining about the level of Christianity of the west, to avoid admitting their spread of terror around the globe is far greater than what Muslims do.

Printing is not 15th century by a long shot
blast furnace is Chinese
Clocks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_al-Jazari, we owe the Arab world a lot of things,.. like the crankshaft.
quarantine: well known Arabs far surpassed the Christians medical treatments during them days, since a disease was punishment by god according to the catholics
ships: Indonesia did not become Muslim by foot.
glasses: If you mean optics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Optics
trebuchet: Chinese, 4th BC

How about you google on Ghana, where the Christian west took loads of slaves, what the Christian technology heritage is? lol

Almost all the top manufactures that make machines to massacre around, are in the Christian/Jewish west.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companies_by_arms_sales

Signed by all the leaders who represent the people around the world.

You're not disputing that the Christian/Jewish west are breaching the norms and values.
You're just whining and distracting.

I don't see you dispute that the Christian/Jewish west massacres a heck of a lot more, and support terrorism world wide, and it doesn't compare well with the muslim world. All you do is whine and complain about how it's not so Christian anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians#Arabization_of_Palestine
The original conquest in the 630s had guaranteed religious freedom, improving that of the Jews and the Samaritans, who were classified with the former.[159][160][161] The Frankish invaders made no distinction between Christians who for the Latin rite were considered heretics, Jews and Muslims, slaughtering all indiscriminately.

As I noted. Christianity was spread by the edge of the sword.

I debunked that with 2 sources. But you prove that a hater must hate.

Sorry. But your version is just raping the narrative

Well it did in Palestine.... as well as in Spain. And for the luls...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Iran
It took 500 years for Islam to become a majority.
That's exceptionally different than how Christianity was spread in Europe.
That was done by the romans who forced you to convert of get your head chopped off.

So fake news much?

Not spotting a source

 

I never claimed that the inquistion was in the first centuries.

I just point that Islam was violent from the start, when christianity needed some centuries to become corrupted.

Oh, the spanish killed some jews and muslims after centuries of being raped/killed/enslaved by the muslims, and the jews were perceived as their allies, how surprizing. If the muslims didn't invaded spain, that wouldn't happened. So yes, when you have to take back your country with centuries of harsh fight, you become tough, and merciless.

It's in Saudi Arabia where christians aren't allowed to build church, and in Indonesia, they're regulary killed by the muslims :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...attacks/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6f165bd5870c

In the three first centuries, yes. Then no.

Why do you care ? It was christian on christian. It's western people, I'm sure you take it as good news.

Yes, become muslims don't commit regulary attacks on jews in the western europe.

My source is the INSEE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_national_de_la_statistique_et_des_études_économiques

I can't agree with that kind of logic.

Yes, the classical, "everyone it doesn't fit our narrative, texts doesn't mean what they obviously mean",

So what because Bush and Sarkozy are mean boys you think we will accept that muslims kidnap women in England (telford case) or Nigeria (bok haram) and slaughter us in the sources ? If the police didn't prevented so many attacks, it won't be hundred of people killed in the west, but thousands, if not hundred of thousands. And still, two wrong doesn't make a right, you can point the faults of some western leaders, it still doesn't make what are doing muslims good.

Gutenberg one yes, he invented the printing press, with mobile plumb fonds, with the import of technology of paper, it enabled to break the cost of books. Chinese used some printing technicals, but they never mass printed books.

Old models yes, but the work of iron considerably improved during european middle age.

Fake news, there were crankshafts in ancient rome and china. Still, clockworks are an european invention.

Partly true, partly myth invented by the leftists and the arabs. The qurantine is still an european invention.

There is a difference between reaching indonesia and crossing the pacific ocean and the atlantic ocean.

Congratulations, you were able to read my own message where I mentionned it. Glasses are sitll an european invention.

Counterweight trebuchet, 12th century, europe. What's the next step, pretend that the bike was invented in middle east because it's probably the place wheels appeared ?

They use phones, vaccines, clocks, electricity, so the technological heritage is use.

What people do with that are their own problems, not the seller problems.

A lot of autocrats, yes.

I won't claim that my country is perfect.

I don't dispute that our governments are corrupted. About the military actions, some may help some countries, but I distrust any politician, and assume if they pretend that our armies work for the greater good, they're manipulating us and the soldiers for less commendable goals, because they're slave of corporates.

It does.

The only true europe was royalist and christian, thereafter, it's not europe anymore.
I'm neither royalist or christian, it's however the only time europe had a real identity, not like the nowodays non existing european culture.

Wikipedia propaganda. Doesn't change that the local populations disappeared, and not only in Palestina, it's the same in north africa.

You debunked 0 things, you're just claiming that your texts doesn't mean what they mean, you're in full takiya.

Narrative invented by muslims who found a lot of excuses for their prophet to plunder and steal.

"It did", making people dhimmis and under citizens until they convert. Great.

They converted to escape the dhimmi status.

It didn't took 500 years for Islam to become a majority in Pakistan, but it probably took 100 millions lives.

Not really, christianity was spread in the early age peacefully then in an extreme violent way. Islam conquered countries then forced people to convert or pray djiziah.

The bronzino painting is the source, that kind of painting is the antithesis of Islam, if muslims take over europe, they will destroy that kind of painting.

 

You already proved that by yourself, you don't have any lessons to give to me about hate.

 

You claimed Christianity spread peacefully. While I proved it was done by the sword. First the Romans all over Europe, to eventually the Spanish. That covers 1000 years of violent persecution.

Did you source Muslims violently converted people? Nope.
Did I prove Muslims did not violently convert people? Yes.

Nope. That violence were acts of self defense. I showed you how Islam spread peacefully in a couple of countries, proving you dead wrong.

While you whined about the Jews,... who broke their own peace deal with the Muslims during a war, to stab them in the back. Death is fitting for committing high treason. It still is so. While the only reason Christianity needed some centuries, is only because it took some centuries for it to spread to the highest rulers.

Not that I care. Your argument that it spread peacefully is totally fake. You never proved that, while I debunked it all over.

Nothing of the sort happened. People were free to believe whatever in Spain under muslim rule.

There is no mosque in the Vatican either. And Muslims are harassed to even killed in the US all over the place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobic_incidents#United_States
Especially the case where 2 Jews were beaten up, for looking too Muslim. Says it all.

You're nitpicking over nothing. It did not spread peacefully over the globe.

I proved to you the violent ways of Christians. You never proved it spread peacefully one bit.

The amount of attacks, vs how many Muslims are in Europe disproves your point.
Besides... where Muslims openly march against ISIS in Europe,...
you don't see Jews march against Israeli Jews ethnic cleansing,
you only get to hear they've lobbied successfully that their fellow Jews can go forth with it.
Maybe that's the reason they get attack. Nobody likes supporters of war crimes.

Your source is wikipedia, and so is mine.

Zero argumentation.

You don't get to freely interpret somebody else religion. You aint no credible source or scholar.
And I proved you wrong twice. Go sulk in a corner already.

Their are the face of Christian/Jewish western interests. Deal with the fact they start wars all over the globe,.. like they always have done through history... pointless wars, with far bigger massacres than the Muslims have done.

Nope. What he did already existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodblock_printing

Neah. You're just making it all up.

You use wikipedia as well to prove your point. Don't be so hypocritical when I disprove you with the same website.

I sourced the truth there, buddy. You got nothing to debunk this.

A seafaring ship is a seafaring ship.

Would never been possible without the Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet#Counterweight_trebuchet
The earliest known description and illustration of a counterweight trebuchet comes from a commentary on the conquests of Saladin by Mardi ibn Ali al-Tarsusi in 1187. The earliest solid reference to counterweight trebuchets in European sources dates to the siege of Castelnuovo Bocca d'Addain 1199.

Who predates who?

Ah... that sounds medieval alright.

Just proving Christian nations got all the big companies where weapons are produced to massacre other humans.
No Muslim nation among them.

And all democracies.

That's just you agreeing that it's behind massacres world wide.

Pointless war in Iraq, killed far more people than what ISIS did.

source?

You use it too, when it serves your agenda. And when I do it, it's propaganda. lol
Complaint denied since you have not debunked anything with some source.

I even used 2 sources on that.

lol... calling me a liar? That's a personal attack there, buddy.
And you do that because you got debunked.

It's their narrative that they believe, and that is what matters.

lol... sure. It took 500 years to realize such tax deals. As if.
utterly weak argument. Find a better one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan
There was gradual conversion to Islam in the south, especially amongst the native Hindu and Buddhist majority, but in areas north of Multan, Hindus and Buddhists remained numerous. Close interaction with local populations led to cultural exchange and the resulting "Indo-Islamic" fusion has left a lasting imprint and legacy in South Asian architecture, music, literature, life style and religious customs. Akbar the Great, was both a capable ruler and an early proponent of religious and ethnic tolerance and favored an early form of multiculturalism.

lol.

I sourced they got paintings, and make music. It totally destroys your argument that they can't have that.

 

No I claimed it spreaded peacefully the three first centuries.

In c. 832-837 CE, Caliph al-Mamun led Muslim mobs to loot properties of Copts and destroyed churches. He also put down their rebellion by massacring them. Many monks were killed and monasteries destroyed in later years.[54] From the 14th century to 1517 when the Mamluk dynasty ended, frequent discrimination and persecution under the Pact of Umar forced a majority of Copts to convert to Islam.[55] Mamluks destroyed most of the churches and killed an estimated 300,000 Copts over the 13th century. Maroniteand Greek Orthodox communities were expelled from the coastal areas in the same period and their settlements were destroyed.[56]Seljuk Turks under Alp Arslan killed many Armenian Christians in 1064 as part of the Muslim conquest of Anatolia.[57] On some occasions such as the Siege of Irbil, thousands of Christian civilians were massacred.[58] The Ottomans killed 20,000 Greek Cypriots in Nicosia in 1570, and every church, public building and palace was looted. Only women and boys who were captured to be sold as slaves were spared

And yes, I spoke of the islamic conquest of india who did 100 millions victims.

No you quoted propaganda.

Yes, self defence. That's why one centure after your prophet died, muslims were plundering southern France. What a great "self defence" to invade all territories between arabia and southern France in "self defence," that's kind of a joke ?

Invade people, force them to pay jizyah, humiliate them, I wouldn't like to be neighbour considering your definition of peacefull.

That's the version of muslims, another version is that Muhammed was a criminal who was plundering caravans, and not the peacefull prophet he pretended.

"Free", pay djizyah or die. A strange definition of free. You're really pretending that muslims conquered spain without makind death ?

You don't want to be harassed ? Don't kill 2000 people by throwing planes in towers.

Until Constantin became emperor, it spread peacefully, you can negate it, still it's the case.

It's takiya.

That's explain why nobody like muslims.

No, my source is the insee, the wikipedia article is what the INSEE is.

What is pretended without argumentations can be denied without argumentations, you don't proved why the fact it made more victims made the other irrelevant. So I don't need to argue why.

You're trying to kill my family, I don't give a damn about your SJW logic, "you do'nt get to freely interpret somebody else religion", like I care.

Like you say, muslims commit massacres too.

Not really, chinese invention was a whole block and you had to sculpt another block every time you wanted to print another text, when Gutenberg made it with small separate plumb characters, and you had just to arrange the characters in another way to print another text, so no, that's pretty different of the chinese printing.

You can't do that kind of things without having a very good knowledge of metallurgy.

I don't agree with anything written on wikipedia, and ?

And the fact that european in middle age invented quranteen is still the truth. So yes you will cry "they owned everything to the arabs because Kufars are stupid and muslims are superior", still quranteen was invented by european.

Not really, crossing the mediterranean sea is not the samething as crossing the atlantic or the pacific, you need far better ones for crossing the atlantic.

Nothing the arabs did would have been possible without the greek and romans, nothing the greek and romans would have been possible without the summerian and the egyptian, so ?

And Saladin was fighting against who ? European crusaders. Furthermore, in a very hypocrite way, you ignore all that passage :

The 12th century Byzantine historian Niketas Choniates may have been referring to a counterweight trebuchet when he described one equipped with a windlass, which is only useful to counterweight machines, at the siege of Zevgminon in 1165.[29] At the Siege of Nicaea in 1097 the Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos reportedly invented new pieces of heavy artillery which deviated from the conventional design and made a deep impression on everyone.[30] Possible references to counterweight trebuchets also appear for the second siege of Tyre in 1124, where the crusaders reportedly made use of "great trebuchets

They use clockworks, quaranteen and glasses.

Because they're all third world countries unable to produce any high technology. No muslim nations produce medical products, computers or cars neither. So ?

Democracies full of rotten leaders, the dream.

No.

My country wasn't involved in the war of Iraq.

Just open a history book. The only time Europe had a true identity, it was when it was christian and royalist.

There is a difference between some well established fact and suppositions.

Two poor sources. I don't have to accept every sources.

Yes.

Don't call me buddy, I take it as a personnal attack.

Not really, that's the same narrative who lead them to commit suicide attacks.

Forcing people to pay taxes and making them second zone citizens is oppression, face it.

The book assesseshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_Muslim_Population_in_Medieval_India the demographics of India between 1000 CE and 1500 CE. On the basis of his analysis of the available historical evidence, K.S. Lal argued that the population of Indian subcontinent in 1000 was about 200 million and in 1500 was about 170 million. He says, however, that "any study of the population of the pre-census times can be based only on estimates, and estimates by their very nature tend to be tentative."

Lal argued that about 60 to 80 million people died in India between 1000 and 1525 as a result of the Islamic invasion of Indian subcontinent. He estimated that about 2 million people died during Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions of India alone.[1]

The fact that they have those rules doesn't mean they respect them, furthermore, that's still nude painting, and muslims get offended by nudity and hairs, so I doubt they can accept that. Furthermore, that representative art isn't really developped, and very primitive.
I visit a lot museum, I almost never saw muslims in it.

 

Still leaves 1500 years where people got forced to convert of die. And it was during them days it spread across the globe. First Europe by the Romans, than in Latin America through the inquisition. The US and Africa through genocide and forced conversions of slaves.

Same page says: In general, Christians subject to Islamic rule were allowed to practice their religion with some notable limitations stemming from the Pact of Umar.

Let's stick to what the pact in general is about, instead of you pretending otherwise.

you did not prove that.

There is a mountain of difference between conquest and forcing people to convert by the sword.
And you commented on the SPREAD of ISLAM, and if that was peaceful or not.

Let me remind you, you bring up 300 years of a little tinkle of a spread of Christianity.... leaving up 1500 years of genocidal conversions.
But if you must bring up just conquest.... the Christians did that on a much bigger and far more violent scale as well.

Indeed. That's THEIR religion and that's what THEY believe, and so that is THEIR culture.
You don't get to freely interpret their religion and claim what their culture is, when it's not.
I already sourced you're wrong with 2 sources. Go sulk in a corner already. lol

Don't want a plane through a skyscraper, than stop supporting ethnic cleansing Arabs, and toppling their elected leaders, make up fake news to invade countries etc.

That's a personal attack, and so a weak argument by a weak poster.

Last time I checked... Saudi Arabia are best of palls with the US.

You still use wikipedia as a source.
That "In c. 832-837 CE, Caliph al-Mamun led Muslim mobs" is directly from wikipedia.

Utterly hypocritical.

It did not make the other irrelevant. Just saying who is the bigger evil.

This argument is only founded on petty emotions, not facts.

Christians make the biggest ones.

That is completely different than claiming he invented to print on paper. He did not. He took the concept of mass producing books, with 1 mold a page, to a bunch of molds a page. Whooptido

They had quench-hardened steel 300 BC in China. That so predates what Europe did.

Simple truth that Europeans of the time found this all a punishment by god, and indeed... the Muslims were superior in these days.

Mediterranean? They went to Indonesia! And they still use the same ships for the Atlantic and Pacific to travel between the Saudi peninsula and Indonesia.

Indeed. Nothing much without the Sumerians. Have a freaking wild guess who the ancestors of the Arabs are. lol

This is full of may have, could have. That's not proving anything.

2/3 already invented.

Still makes the Christian countries the most violent.

I don't see you denying it.

So what. It took a born again Christian to invent fake news, to go rage a war for nothing. All the blood from that is on his Christian hands. Let me remind you also that previously the oil for food program let to an utterly massive massacre of Iraqi young children.

History book? I pick up newspapers. And I get to read all the time that Muslims are not compatible with Christian/Jewish Europe.

It's a fact we founded our norms and values in the Geneva Conventions. And you hold the Muslims to those standards, but not a Jewish/Christian nation. And a suppositions, is your wrongfully interpretation of the Quran.

You did not prove those sources are poor.
Complaint denied.

reported

You judging what 0,001% of a population does, and claim that is how 100% is? lol

Not proving Islam spread through violence, but through taxation... taking 100's of years a country. lol

you quoting wikipedia again? lol
Not seeing forced conversions.

lol.
you funny. Calling Saudi's not respecting their own religion.
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/saudi-arabia-art-scene-survey-1231676

odds that you're wrong is 100%

 

So ? I don't deny that.

So you invade countries, enslave people, kill their leaders then force the local religions to pay heavy taxes and cast them out away of important posts but it's "peacefull".

They also believe they're superior to everyone and that every non muslims go in hell. Muhammed proved by his behaviour that almost everything was allowed to assure the superiority of muslims/

Muslims started the conflict with the west by invading spain.

I respect you as much you respect me. Anyway

The government sure, the people, I doubt.

Absolute impossible to know because we lack too much documents to know how many victims the conquest of North Africa, Spain made. North india conquest made 100 millions death, which is biggest than the biggest genocide commited by western countries (Belgian Congo, 8 millions people).

Not really, first printing absolutely didn't existed at this time in Europe, and so he didn't took the concept of mass producing books. In Europe, and too in arabic countries, books had to he handwritted. By searching further, I had the big surprize to see that chinese invented some movable type too. But it's clear that Gutenberg invented that on his side. Doesn't change that he is the one who ended the time of producing books in Europê by writting them to mass producing them.

Not really, first if Europe had dark times during the 700-1100, it was only because of the constant islamic agression in the south and the east who make Europe much more poorer. Furthermore, during the time of romans, there were a lot of trade around the mediterreanean see, trade broken by the muslim pirates. Italy, who was the heart of Europe knew a lot of islamic raids too.
Furthermore, middle age last 1000 years, people were different in the year 500 and in the year 1500. The building of universities slowly, but surely changed mentalities, and Francis Bacon, an english middle age monk, is considered as one of the father of rationnal thinking.
And it doesn't change that european invented quranteen.

My points is that all seas aren't the same to cross, some are much harder than other, I took the example of Mediterranean see which is one of the easiest to cross, but it's just an example. Indonesia was already well known of chinese and indian navigators, muslims had commerical relationships with both, so stop to act as if they discovered Indonesia, and you can reach Indonesia by following Indian coasts.

I don't care of arabs, I have a problem with muslims. Egypt and Summer region were much better in those times.

You have doubts because it concern christian. Why would this authors refer to windlass if it's used only to counterwheight machines.

Fake news. You claim that muslims invented clockwork because they had some gears engine, but roman had too, clockworks were invented by europeans, nobody deny that. You hate europeans so much that you deny everything, quaranteen was invented by european, there is no doubt about that neither and glasses were invented by european too, progress in optic made by an arab or not.

I don't know any christian country having death penatly for leaving christianity, there is a lot muslims countries who have that.

That's a fact. They almost all hate europe as you do and will take arms to destroy it when they can as the huns and vandals did.

People who signed geneva convention :

• Swiss Confederation
• Grand Duchy of Baden
• Kingdom of Belgium
• Kingdom of Denmark
• Second French Empire
• Grand Duchy of Hesse
• Kingdom of Italy
• Kingdom of the Netherlands
• Kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves
• Kingdom of Prussia
• Kingdom of Spain
• Kingdom of Württemberg

I don't see any muslim country in it.

They don't change the facts that what I quoted is Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. What you quoted is the opinion of one scholar, and all muslims aren't forced to agree with that collar, when all sunni muslims agree with Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Sahih Bukhari and Sahih muslims are the most trusted sources of islam, not this scholar.
By the way, that's always the same with muslims, everytime there is a violent passage in their books, it obviously don't mean that, in the same time a lot of muslim countries have death penalty for leaving Islam and Egypt and Saudi Arabia have repressive policies against non muslims.

You have remorse to judge a whole population on what some dirty corporates do ? No. It's funny how you ask me to not judge all muslims on the act of some, but do systematically the same on christian and always take it as a whole.

Heavy taxation and considering people as second class citizens. Furthermore, how those taxes were imposed ? By invading the country, killing and enslavign people in the process. It's so "peacefull" to invade a country. Furthermore, people who didn't wanted to pay those taxes were killed.

Still 60 to 80 millions death, much more than any european slaughter, and for a much smaller world population. (I lmade a mistake by saying 100)

It's funny, the two illustrations show abstract arts. No drawings, painting, representative art, no nude painting. So yes, when muslims will uprise in Europe, they will destroy our legacy.

P.S : You're blocked, don't waste your time answering me.

 

You so far never confessed to this either. And here you are admitting that Christianity spread and being utterly violent all across the globe. And all you hide by is... but it tinkled peacefully at the start. This really does not compare well with Islam. So far I sourced all over the peaceful spread of it all.

Not spotting forced conversion in this. Let me remind you, that YOU started this with that there are no minorities in Muslim nations. And if you want to compare invading countries,.. Christian/Jewish west invaded FAR more countries all over the globe. They still do. WWI, WWII,.. all their fault! Vietnam, Korea,.. list is endless. What do you got in return? Iran-Iraq war? Saudi Arabia-Yemen? Really? Says a lot who the bigger evil is by far! You have to dig back to the Ottoman empire to find anything substantial. lol

source it

Christians started the conflict in Spain by invading it 300 years earlier than Muslims. And it only is Christian now, because the Christians killed every non Christian in the country. The Jews of the time had to flee to the Ottoman empire! Jews... fleeing in the hands of Muslims!

Who is the bigger evil?

This is you using a personal attack, in an attempt to debunk a source.
That still makes you a weak poster, and my argument stands.
They aint going to kill all Jews at the end of time.

Yeah. Plenty of hate of Christian Americans towards Muslims.
While well over a million Christians work in Saudi Arabia.

You go source that all these people had to be killed because of their ethnic or religious background

Irrelevant. And I even found out that moveable block printing was done in China 100's of years before that German dude came up with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_printing
Metal movable type appeared in the late Song and Yuan. Bronze movable types were used to print banknotes and official documents by both the Song and Jin.

And Song dynasty is around the year 1050

All I read is petty excuses why Europe was so far behind on the Arabs.
Since you mention universities... Arabs were the first to grant a degree when completing a university.
Algebra, is an Arab word. As well as the concept of "zero", Leonardo da Vinci stole his flying design thing from an Arab (Abbas ibn Firnas), and since you mention qurantine... the entire concept how we run a hospital these days: Arab. And the "father of optics" is an Arab, Ibn al-Haytham, and he used lenses... because an other Arab already describes a law of refraction.

You don't reach Indonesia when crossing the Mediterranean.

Them and the Sumerians, are all 1 and the same group of people.

Nope. Your source does simply not disclose how it is.

The earliest use of clocks in Europe was 300bc in Greece.
The found such clocks in Persia, 500bc.

Doesn't put a dent in the fact that Christian countries rage war all over the globe. Spend the most on their military compared to other countries. Got the biggest factories to make machines to kill other humans.

last time I checked,.. it's Jewish/Christian countries who bomb muslim countries and destroy them. Has been going on for quiet some time. It's not the other way around. It is also them Christians and Jews who financially aid the most insane dictators like Saddam Hussein to massacre and oppress people. They are the biggest evil by far.

I do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Geneva_Conventions

You didn't quote the opinion of any scholar. You quoted text and gave it your Islamophobic interpretation. lol

I can do that, since that is how democracy works. They vote in people who they represent. If they did not want to have the biggest armies, rage war all over the globe, and have the biggest factories producing weapons to massacre, than they would have voted an other way. Same with them Jews in Israel,.. if did not want to ethnic cleanse and thieve, they would have voted an other way.

Meanwhile you have judged 1.5 billion muslims for what 10.000's of muslims do... and ignoring that those muslims are the ones who actually kill ISIS members city by city, town by town, house by house, room by room. What a total joke that is.

Dude... WWII got more people killed in 5 years.

So what. It's modern art. They got paintings of humans. You proved nothing. You're just ranting nonsense. lol

Ah.. reply first and than block with your tale between your legs!

Meh. you probably won't be able to post here,.. cause you made personal attacks, to attempt to win the argument.

 

Yes Christianity spread violently, Islam too, and ?

Yes, taxing people while they're already starving, forcing them to be second class citizen, taking them their land. It was not "die or convert" but "slowly die or convvert".

I didn't claimed that, I claimed it's almost the case, there is some copts in Egypt who get regulary bombed, Hindus in Palistan who get regulary bombed, Christian in Indonesia who get regulary bombed, buddhists in Indonesia who were already slaughtered.

So what ? WW1 was purely a western/western war, except throught colonies, but 90 % of the victims are european. Whhy do you complain, you should enjoy it ?

Almost all victims were european again, except in China, Europe wasn't responsible of the Chinese/japanese situation. The nazi allied to them yes. But Japanese had imperalistic visions.

The problem of western violence is always the same. It's for the greater good. What happened during Lybia bombing ? You think they said that it was to kill muslims. At the opposite, the TV broadcasted propaganda to says that if we didn't intervene, we were letting Ghadafi slaughtering his population, and that we would have been like Hitler slaughtering poles. By the way, the over emotionnal euros were touched by that. They should become more sociopathic, stop to care of feeling. It's the same for Korea, Vietnam, just broadcast propaganda to tell people they're the good guys, they're helping people. "Tintin au Congo" is very relevant for that, because it's the perfect little propaganda for colonization, and it's what the author believed what happen. Nice white people helping black people. Unfortunately, that's not what happened.

Spain was one of the first conquered territory of the roman empire. Spain became christian because of the thelassonic treaty and constantin who started to persecute paganism. The goth who settled in Spain were christian through conversion, even if a lot of them were arian, a now disappeared christian sect. Anyway, it doesn't change that muslim started the conflict with the west.

Evil is in every human being heart, but at least christian had some respect for roman legacy. The west became great because it was inspired by roman legacy, when we started to ignore it in the 50's, it's when we became so weak that some miserables criminals can slaughter us without any answer.

That's reality.

That's your opinion and the one who interpreted the hadith, not the one of the imam of Tolosa or of ISIS, or Boko Haram, or a lot of people.

Unable to build church, when muslims build plenty of mosques in the US. American will understand one day or not that such tolerance is weakness.

An example :
Religious violence in India continued during the reign of Jalaluddin Firoz Shah Khalji and Allauddin Khalji of Khalji dynasty.[45][46] Their army commanders such as Ulugh Khan, Nusrat Khan, Khusro Khan and Malik Kafur attacked, killed, looted and enslaved non-Muslim people from West, Central and South India.[47][48] The Khalji dynasty's court historian wrote (abridged),

The (Muslim) army left Delhi in November 1310. After crossing rivers, hills and many depths, the elephants were sent, in order that the inhabitants of Ma'bar might be made aware of the day of resurrection had arrived amongst them; and that all the burnt Hindus would be despatched by the sword to their brothers in hell, so that fire, the improper object of their worship, might mete out proper punishment to them.

— Amir Khusrow, Táríkh-i 'Aláí[49]
The campaign of violence, abasement, and humiliation was not merely the works of Muslim army, the kazis, muftis and court officials of Allauddin recommended it on religious grounds.[50] Kazi Mughisuddin of Bayánah advised Allauddin to "keep Hindus in subjection, in abasement, as a religious duty, because they are the most inveterate enemies of the Prophet, and because the Prophet has commanded us to slay them, plunder them, and make them captive; saying - convert them to Islam or kill them, enslave them and spoil their wealth and property."[50]

The Muslim army led by Malik Kafur pursued two violent campaigns into south India, between 1309 and 1311, against three Hindu kingdoms of Deogiri (Maharashtra), Warangal(Telangana) and Madurai (Tamil Nadu). Thousands were slaughtered. Halebid temple was destroyed. The temples, cities, and villages were plundered. The loot from south India was so large, that historians of that era state a thousand camels had to be deployed to carry it to Delhi.[51] In the booty from Warangal was the Koh-i-Noor diamond.[52]

In 1311, Malik Kafur entered the Srirangam temple, massacred the Brahmin priests of the temple who resisted the invasion for three days, plundered the temple treasury and the storehouse and desecrated and destroyed numerous religious icons.[53][54]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus#Mohammed_Ghori_(1173-1206_AD)

You're ****ing mocking me ? I mentionned that moveable block printing as done in China.

I will quote myself :

And then you pretend that YOU discovered that, when I mentionned that. You discovered it by reading me. It doesn't change that it's Gutenberg invention who will end the time of copying book.

No, it's the reality, arabs plundered southern european cost, plundered Rome. So yes, when a bunch of barbarian destroy the heart of your civilization.

Good, I never denied that.

How do you want I keep my calm when I'm reading that ? By the way, you don't. I was just mentionning that as an instance to explain that there is different kind of seas and crossing the atlantic isn't the same as FOR INSTANCE crossing the mediterranean see, or go along indian coast to discover the well know indonesia.

Oh, indonesian muslims and sumerians are all 1 and the same group. Great news.

It does.

I speak of mechanical clockworks :
Up to the 15th century, clockwork was driven by water, weights, or other roundabout, relatively primitive means, but in 1430 a clock was presented to Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, that was driven by a spring. This became a standard technology along with weight-driven movements

But yes, I know, you will pretend that the spring is invented by muslims, so it was invented by muslims.

Depend a lot of the countries, Netherland or Spain don't rage war all over the globe. Mostly US, a lot too France and UK.

We spend the most on a lot of things, education and hospitals too.

Yes, and we make to medical machines to save humans, agriculture machines. Until China came to power, we were making every machines possible. So what ? You want we abandon the market so the chinese or the turkish take it ? People will buy weapons anyway, nobody force them to buy them or to use them.

Corporations are on my top four of *******s. Cartels, Corporations, Jihadists (your friends) and Dictators. They're the biggest ennemy of mankind.
About dictators, it's the same, you can't afford to not have relationship with countries.
I'm a big fan of the "I don't care stand", have relationships with every leader, I don't like the role of world cop some western countries try to play. But it ask to not be emotionnal, and if a genocide occur, well, not our problem.

Still only european countries on the original one.

Islamophobic ? I read it and take it as it means. Scholar is about inventing a magical context who turn every mean sentence in "just hug each other".

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You live in a democracy to says that ? Only 8 % of the french people trust political parties.https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/2...e&show_recommendations=false&view_mode=scroll First, most factories aren't owned by the state. Second, what is democracy ? A money war. Politician fight for influence.
Most people don't know what happens. I'm not even sure that a lot of french people know that we have armies in Mali, Centrafrica, and most people think that they're in peace mission. They would be scandalized that we don't send the army, because they would think that we let peopel get slaughtered.
And anyway, democracy is having the choice between a bunch of morons. You hate them all and you just have the choice between the one you hate the least. You know that whatever they're saying, they're lying.

Hunted down by shia muslims mostly. Turkey don't fight ISIS.
It's mostly a Shia/Sunni war, and Ali and Aisha were already at war.

Mostly european, don't you enjoy that ? Furthermore the world was much more populated at this time, so proportionnaly, it's not the same thing.

Where ? I didn't saw and I didn't heard about ?
Average salafi thinker :

I blocked you because I had the furious envy to smash your head on a wall until your head explode. I'm aware it's not a very good feeling, and I could be much ruder I'm already. So I blocked you and went for a walk to calm down. I unblock you for now.

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I proved that in numerous countries that Islam spread peacefully. You're deliberately mixing conquest for the sake of conquest by muslims with forced conversions. Christians did forced conversions. I proved that. Christians/Jews did the conquest for the sake of conquest on a far bigger scale than Muslims. So they are the bigger evil on both accounts.

And so what this comes down to, is that you basically lost the entire debate.

You're making it up that they were already starving. The conversion of Iran took 500 years from zero to a majority. So that totally disproves you.

That has nothing to do with a muslim government. Argument denied.

So your claim of biggest genocide is fake.

So what. Christians started this. That makes your claim of biggest genocide: fake.

The holocaust was for the greater good?
Sure, buddy, sure.

How about you make a personal attack to argue your way out of this one?
Dumbest thing I ever read. Honest. lol

You just admitted that Christians started the conflict in Spain,.. with their converting people by the edge of their swords.
The Muslims did nothing of the sort to Spain.
So come again who the trouble makers are?

lol
The Arabs took that Roman and Greek legacy and continued with it, where Christians dropped it.

The reality is that personal attacks as a reply to my sourcing disproving you.... makes you a weak poster with no argument at all.

That aint my opinion. I sourced them opinions. And I think we already discussed you claiming all muslims are like ISIS, while they only represent 0,01%. A percentage that is slim to nil, who is being destroyed by the rest of the Muslim world. Hence you claiming this is the right interpretation: nonsense.

There are no mosques in vatican city either. And if it was up to Wilders and people like him including YOU, there wouldn't be mosques in the west at all either. So you lot aint any better!

/facedesk

These numbers don't add up to 100 million, now do they?

Ah.. how hypocritical of you to use wikipedia as a source. While you still dispute it as a credible source when I do that.
You're such a weak debater. Come one. That is even worse than cussing personal attacks. lol

I questioned your bookprinting claims from the start, and you know it. Don't go pretend you accidentally stumbled on my truth all on your own. Utterly ridiculous.

So. They conquered like everybody else. The fact is that Christians did it far more and far worse, and so they are the greater evil. We're discussing this.

All you got is some European who just added something on 100's of years of Arab research.
That doesn't make them the father of optics. That title belongs to an Arab.

Totally not relevant. You're just sticking to this idiotic argument about the Mediterranean sea, to divert the attention you're wrong about the ships the Muslims build to reach Indonesia.

Sumerians, Arabs are all and the same group of Muslims.

It doesn't because it's full with might and could have. It's just wild guessing all the way.

You don't tell time with weights without something mechanical.

lol.. Spain had 100's of years of genocidal campaigns. And the Dutch history is no stranger in violently oppressing people as well.
Heck. If you drag in India. Than I surely can drag in Spain being responsible for massacring like 95% of South America.

Nice try distracting. That is not denying that Christian nations spend the most on massacring other people, with their biggest factories to make the equipment for it. That doesn't compare well with what you're accusing Muslims off.

Because other countries were still violently oppressed by them Christian nations when they made the Geneva Conventions. But they are all there now. So your claim is fake. Fake news. Can you stop?

You're not putting a dent in how I can judge people and countries. While you don't even defend how your Islamophobic view of less than 0.01% applies to all the others.

Saudi Arabia, and Iran are both fighting them extremists. As for Turkey:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ty-new-years-eve-shooting-reina-a7505151.html

Fake news all the way. That is what you're ranting.

Dude... youtube as a source? how weak!


^^
Picture of a Salafist muslim King in public.
You so lost this debate. lol

 

I never denied that christians made forced conversions, but when you invade countries to make them pay jizyah, you don't spread peacefully. I think your stupid idea of "bigger evil" is childish, even if in a way you see Islam as evil, interisting.
You can't claim that you invade people, killing and enslaving a bunch of people in the process, put them heavy taxes on them, and claim your religion was spreaded peacefull. It's violent oppression, probably less violent to simply says "die or convert", but still extremly violent.
Furthermore, the christians/jewish west is much more than that. It's the electricity you use, the computer you use, your medicines, all of that was invented by the christian west. You use a tap ? Christian west, GPS ? Christian west. You look yourself in the mirror ? The mirrors existed for a long time, there some glass, but modern glass mirrors were invented by the west. Furthermore, if the christian/jewish west had the most intensive slave trade (12 millions on three centuries) (the biggest is up to muslims 18 millions over 13 centuries), it's too the christian west who started to abolish slavery first. One of the first abolition was made by Louis X le hutin, King of France, in 1315. Slavery was first abolished by christian nations, and last by muslim nations (Mauritania, Pakistan). So yes, the history of the christian west is full of good things, full of bad things. Like everything created by human being, so you can keep your shitty manichaeism or grow up, I don't care.

Anyway, western civilization is dead. Destroyed culturally first by the leftists and their politician, then ethnically by the leftist politician with their mass migration.

And that's the problem, their diversity is killing an already dead european civilization. A painting of Georges de la Tout, a piece of music of Purcell, or an old 17th century building deserve much more to be protected than anything alive. And diversity and islamization is a threat to that.

We're speaking of middle age, not nowodays day, buying food was a much more bigger issue during those times. Time of starvation were regular everywhere in the world, China, Japan, Europe.

It has everything to do with muslims however. Furthermore, it seems that muslims government don't try very hard to prevent those acts.

No a genocide isn't war. Furthermore the range is 60 to 80 millions, which is bigger than 60 millions, the number killed in genocide during WW2 must be 6 millions in the west, and 2 or 3 millons in china. You're mixing up everything. The genocide in WW2 made around 9 millions people, so it's too much, but doesn't reach 60 millions. Furthermore there were much less people in the time of genocide in India.

You hate christian, so why do you care some dies ? It's mostly a christian on christian story, none of your business.

Most nazis thougth they were defending europe. Furthermore, very few people knew about the holocaust during ww2. People knew that jews were kidnapped, but what was actually happening wasn't really known. Most nazis saw themselves as defender of Europe against modernity and communism.
Furthermore, I didn't pretended that everything done by the west was done for the greater good, but mostly yes.

I stated that muslims started the conflict with christian by invading spain. It's still true. Otherwise it was only an european on european conflict. Muslims invaded spain, that killed people, and there is record of slavery in Spain. They besieged Toulouse in France, plundered France until Poitiers, where they were stopped. They seems to have admired the career of caravan plunderer of their prophet.

Not really, the christians made alive again the art of statues of the romans, when muslims destroyed statues of the romans. We found very few remaining statues in muslim countries.

Number you get out of your hat.

Effectively, you can coexist with a dog with rabbies. If Islam wasn't accepted in the west, hundred of people wouldn't have been slaugthered.
Furthermore, the Vatican is a tiny state, some ha, the smallest of the countries, it's smaller of a country. It's basically a big temple, that would be like asking a church to be build in the mecca.

No because that kind of slaughters were repeated in the time. But I show you that Hindus were slaughtered in this time because of their ethnic and religious status by muslims.

I didn't accidentally stumbled of the truth. I already knew that chinese had some woodblock printing, however i discovered, and I mentionned it first, that they had too movable fonts which I thought was the invention of Gutenberg. I was surprized yes.

Far more, because they were more powerfull. Furthermore, slaughtering people is slaughtering people, no matter how you form it.

And I always aknowledged it, I just said that glasses was invented by european.

You can reach Indonesia by getting along Indian coast, you can't go in america by getting along any coast, except Groenland, that's what Vikings did. The fact that european were able to cross big oceans at that time is one of the proof that

So sumerians,arabs = indonesian and tchetchens. Intersting thought.

Doesn't change that clockworks made progress during middle age inEurope but you're too hatefull of christian civilization to recognize anything to it. I guess you will claim that photography was invented by an arab.

If you speak of the reconquista, don't invade people and hope them to be nice thereafter.

Yes spain was violent in South America, a part of the death are plain slaughters, however most of the death were because of disease. It doesn't change the violent fact, I highly doubt however that muslims or a lot of civilization would have reacted peacefully when they would have discovered civilizations commiting cannibalism and human sacrifice.

Switzerland have a big army and don't intervene outside of switzerland. The fact you have a big army doesn't mean you use it. About biggest factories, yes, by the way. The west is able to produce among the best technologies of this world, even if decadency is destroying that, so when people want to kill each other, they do it with the best, so western weapons. Nobody force them to buy weapons.

I'm personnaly against external interventions but european aren't tough enough to be ready.

Oh yes, muslims after centuries of war against christian, lost the war, were occupied for a few century and now they will cry for the millienias to come. They conquered a bunch of territory, making slave in the process, and they reproach the same to Europe. Slavery was abolished by French in Morroco and Algeria. It doesn't change that geneva convention was an european invention.
Muslims shouldn't have attaked the christian in the first place, if they didn't wanted a war, too bad for them

You're holy book speak of killing my family, you're prophet hated pictures, and my grandfather was a musuem curator, so it means a lot for me. Just the first fact was enough to make me deeply islamophobic. You're brothers in religion tried to kill my family.

Yes, fight extremism, or they just continue their war between shia and sunni muslims. However Saudi Arabia is fighting ISIS. But There is a lof of saudi foreign fighters in Syria. 3000 if I remember well, second is France and UK, around 1000, but that's a long time French and british elites betrayed their own people.

Just a proof that for some muslims having any picture is forbidden. Doesn't mean all muslims follow that, it. But the fact to consider pictures as haram exist in muslim ocuntries.
Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is like a lot muslim countries, parted away their religious part and their more secular part.

 

It's totally not in the same ballpark of forced conversions.
Argument denied.

Oh is that why you brought up that 100 million people got massacred in India?
You're only saying that now, when you lost the debate.

You only say that, in order to say that there are no Christians to be held accountable for the ongoing slaughtering. It still is God safe the Queen in the UK, God bless the USA in about every presidential speech, and Merkel comes from a Christian political party. Heck, even you sill called it the "Christian west" in your previous post. lol
Argument denied.

Says the person who uses examples like Electricity.

Correction... a absolute tiny minority of less than 0,01% of the population.
Argument denied.

Try 70 to 85K in WWII
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Ah... the personal attacks when losing a debate.

So the holocaust wasn't for the greater good? What is it?

Christians started the conflict in Spain by converting by the edge of the sword.
Muslims did none of that when they showed up, so they did not have a conflict with Christians who lived there.

Yes really. The Muslims conserved the technologies of the Romans and Greek, where the Christians dropped it like a brick. And all you got is.. but they kept the art, as if that is the ultimate victory. lol. It's the other way around.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-extr...th-the-wider-and-world-wide-Muslim-population
It's .006625%, where I said its 0.01.

You're not even trying to deny that you personally aint any better.
Thanks for playing.

And I raise you an entire continent of South America. That makes it that the Christians are far and far more violent. Still are.

You faked news it with being 40 million off, and downplayed the massacres of WWII... to make it appear Muslims made the biggest massacre. Just untrue.

Found a Muslim making a poem about glasses,.. predating your invention.
http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/invention-spectacles-between-east-and-west

They proved that Vikings were able to set foot in "New World" with their ships. And here you are ranting with no prove that Arabs were not able to build ships equal to that.

I dont recall saying that.

Changes the fact on what you claim in who invented what.

Those people were left to be. But that wasn't good enough for the Christians. They had to have their genocidal campaign against everything that wasn't Christian. Argument denied.

I sourced you how tolerant Muslims were in Palestine, Spain, and Iran, and that Jews fled for their lives away from Christians to the Ottoman empire. Argument denied.

Doesn't put a dent in the argument that the west has the biggest factories to make weapons, the biggest budgets to rage war, and do rage war all over the globe. And that has been so "for a while". Your argument denied.

This response is about that all the countries backed up the norms and values, by signing the Geneva Conventions.
You put up a fake list, I soured you that it is indeed all the countries.

Nope. That well over a million Christians live in the most deeply devoted Muslim country, Saudi Arabia, proves you totally wrong.

And you are again putting up this fake Islamophobic argument that all Muslims are like ISIS. How about me saying all white Americans are KKK supporters, since that group is around in the US even when it's just tiny fraction of the white people who are part of that? That is your kind of logic.

So you admit you previously put up claiming Turkey doesnt attack ISIS... fake news.

it's the most deeply devoted Muslim country on the planet. And here you are claiming they can't have pictures.
And I showed you an utterly MASSIVE one of the kind himself. LOL!
You so lost this debate.

 

Not very different.

Not really, but I don't think Islam is better than christianity. I have more sympathies for christianity.

[/quote]You only say that, in order to say that there are no Christians to be held accountable for the ongoing slaughtering. It still is God safe the Queen in the UK, God bless the USA in about every presidential speech, and Merkel comes from a Christian political party. Heck, even you sill called it the "Christian west" in your previous post. [/quote]

Not really, I do that because I'm concerned about my culture.

You constantly speak of nowodays west, for instance Iraq war.

I learned 60 millions during school. It's still not a genocide but war casualties, it's different.

It's not a personnal attack, it's a fact.

From the nazi point of view yes.

They showed up, what a nice way to call an invasion. What's next ? Nazis "showed up" in the rest of europe, Conquistadors "showed up" in south america. So yes there is a conflict, when they besieged Toulouse, it was for what ? Hugs. It's a fact, Muslims invaded christian countries in North Africa, middle east, and so on.

The technology was mostly kept by the Byzantine, and the developped part of the roman empire was : Italy, Greece and Syria. Syria was invaded by muslims, it's this way they got the technology. Italy was like I already have shown have been plundered buy the muslims. Gauls, UK were never very developped and stayed veru rural. For instance, the library of Alexandria was in the muslim part. Muslims invaded every part where the knowledge was stored. The poor parts were what is now Europe (except Italy, but Italy was a lot attacked, both by germanic tribes and muslims).

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/
For just ISIS, considering it's not the only muslim country. 9 % of Pakistan, 11 % of Malaysia. Pakistan is 200 millions of people, so it's 18 millions of people, Nigeria is 190 millions, so it's around 13 millions people. 31 millions people at least for two countries who have sympathies for ISIS. Much more the 100 000 you pretend. By the pew research which is suppoded to be your source. So no, ISIS member are millions of people around the world.

There is millions of muslims building their mosque in western europe, building tons of Mosque. So yes, Europe is tolerant too much, there is millions of buddhists too in western Europe. No problems, no attacks, Hindus don't face any problems in Europe neither/

There is muslims in South America. But yes south america have a lot of violence problem.

I learned 60 millions in school. So it's down of 20 millions. And I don't downplay the massacres. And still, there is 60 to 80 millions hindus who were slaughtered by muslims.

I didn't heard of that.

There is a huge difference between the vikings and the travel of colombus. Colombus crossed the ocean straight, when the vikings where mostly following the coasts, going from Island, to groenland, then from Groenland too north america.

You said that muslims and arabs were the same people.

I always mentionned mechanical clockwork, and it doesn't change that modern clockworks, using springs, where invented in Europe. I never said "clockworks", I said, mechanical one. Which is a blurry definition, because everything is mechanical.
You like wikipedia articles : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock
It's seems rather clear that mechanical "moderns" clock were invented in Europe.

You really think that when you fight an invader for centuries you end to make hugs ?

How tolerant, making them second class citizens and make them pay jizyah. I would point out that if christianity had less tolerance for religious diversity, it forbidd slavery in 1315 for instance, in France. Slavery abolishment who won't last, but will be the base of futur abolishment, because core territories stayed slave free, making people used to the fact that slavery as not normal. However, when later in the Renaissance slavery will start back, it will be particulary violent.

And you still don't proved that it's wrong.

What do you call "the west". Mostly USA, France and UK. Germany, Spain, Italy, Netherland, Switzerland, don't go at war, they're all part of the west. F

It's not a fake list, it's the list of all people who signed the original one.

My family isn't christian. Nice try.

Says the man who take the west as a whole, without considering the different people, that a lot of people don't trust their governments in a lot of those countries, and so on. I don't care if they're a minority, I take Islam as a whole

That's a fact, Turkey don't do a lot of things to fight ISIS, there is even heavy clues that some turkish people trade oil with ISIS, helping them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nister-email-cache-leaks-claims-a7460736.html

The original story is that they can't have pictures inside houses, otherwise angels won't enter.
An example of anti picture hadith :
Ayisha said: Once the Prophet came back from one of his travels, (came into the house) and I had covered a wall with a Qiram (a thin woolen garment) with pictures on it. The Prophet got angry and cut the Qiram and said: "The worst punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be for those who imitate the creation of Allah (by making pictures)." [Bukhari and Muslim]. The Prophet said: "A tongue-like fire will come out of Hell (on the Day of Resurrection) and say: I am the punishment for whoever worshipped other than Allah, and a stubborn tyrant, and the picture makers." [An authentic Hadith].
It's good you set Saudi Arabia as a perfect example of muslim country, I will keep that in mind. It must explain why they forbidd countries only in 1962 when all the other countries did it for one century.
I kept in mind when ISIS destroyed collections of museum. I won't let happens with my legacy.

I noticed too they opened a Louvres expansion in Abu Dhabi, I by the way disproved to let our legacy in the hands of those kind of people.

Here is a source : where a muslim scholar says that making or having any picture is haram :https://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=84617

See that they consider themelve as "moderate" :
https://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=aboutus

I'm however curious about the author of the fatwa, who don't signed his fatwa.

Islamweb seems to be a well visited website, because it's high in the searchtrends.

 

Remains utterly ridiculous to claim that to discriminate with taxes is just like the Spanish inquisition.
You lost the debate.

You're missing the point that you rant about the muslim conquest of India was the biggest genocide of mankind, to than flip flop that it all doesn't matter how big the carnage was when Christians caused them. It's hypocritical. And the biggest massacres were still done by the Christians.

You still did not prove that the west isn't Christian anymore. While I made an argument, that you're not disputing.
And you only came up with this claim, to whitewash massacres done by Christians.

And the genocide of South Africa / Spanish inquisition / the spread of Christianity by the sword across Europe, and WWII
Yesh, I know this is a lot that the Christians are responsible for. But do keep up.

Not any different with what happened in India. Besides that Christians invented a way to massacre people on an industrial level.

I proved you wrong with 2 sources, and than you ranted your personal attack. That is the fact.

From your point of view of it was for the greater good, yes.

You are deliberately diverting away that Christians showed up in Spain at one point and killed everybody who refused to convert. When Muslims invaded, they let everybody be in Spain. When Christians came again,.. they again killed everybody who refused to convert. On the point, what group got the worst of morals... it's the Christians. Hence you lost the debate on Spain. Your example, by the way.

Point remains that the Christians dropped the knowledge where Muslims went on with it in the medieval days.

It also says: An overwhelming number of Nigerian Christians (71%) had an unfavorable view of ISIS.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/pew-research-60-million-muslims-support-isis1
PEW RESEARCH: 60 MILLION MUSLIMS SUPPORT ISIS

60 million on a total of 1.8 billion. That makes 0.03%.
And here you go and rant that they all are like that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...supremacists-kkk-far-right-poll-a7907091.html
22 million Americans support neo-Nazis

326 million in total. That makes 0.07%.


Did you lose an argument again? lol

There were almost a 1000 attacks on just the refugee shelters in Germany alone.
You call that tolerant? lol

And it still is, loads of people in Europe, like Wilders and his supporters, and you're hinting your one of them, would refuse Muslims to build mosques. So it's just utterly hypocrite that you complaining that you can't build a church in Saudi Arabia. You aint any better.

You're distracting away from the fact that genocidal Spain massacred about the entire continent. That loads died from diseases, is rather irrelevant, since they would have been confronted with the Spanish inquisition in a violent way if they remained alive.... and probably ended up dead anyways.

I sourced otherwise. And that makes WWII, a massacre started by Christians a bigger massacre than the one you came up with, and your claim it was the biggest is fake.

Vikings did not follow the coast when going to the UK or Iceland... or Greenland for that matter.

You mentioned mechanics, and that Arabs with clocks using weights did not have them.
That's fake.

Dunno how you can just utter that nonsense... with them "tolerant" Christians with their Jim Crow laws, and South African apartheid.

Proved Christians are far more violent. I do believe Kofi Anan said that the attack on Iraq was a violation of the Geneva Conventions. That makes it they use to for the wrong reasons.

I do believe most of them did chip in on the war on Iraq.

I claimed the Geneva Convention was supported by the world. You attempted to disprove that. I sourced you made up fake news.

Irrelevant to the fact that well over a million Christians live in deeply devoted Islamic Saudi Arabia,.. being totally fine.

We already covered that west as a whole can be done, since they vote in their governments by majority vote.
While you have no problem with ranting Muslims act like ISIS, while only 0.01% or if you will 0.03% supports it.
And I sourced you that the amount of nazi supporters in the US is 0.06%. That doesn't work out well, now does it?

You said they did not do a thing. I sourced you totally wrong.
You lost the argument.

A picture is worth a 1000 words.... of me saying you're wrong. lol

And as for music.
They got they "arabs got talent" show.
Winner gets 1/2 a million Saudi Riyals.

Its full of singers and music.

As for: Furthermore, that representative art isn't really developped, and very primitive.

Fake news from you ... again.

 

The spanish inquisition killed 3000 to 5000 people.

So on many centuries, the spanish inquisition killed as much people than muslims in one year.

It's still the biggest genocide. You mixed up war casualties with genocide, which is different things, so yes, it's still muslims who commited the biggest genocide of history.

The fact that the west accept gay marriage, abortions. In the instance of France :
27% of French citizens responded that they "believe there is a God", 27% answered that they "believe there is some sort of spirit or life force", and 40% answered that they "do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force". This makes France one of the most irreligious countries in the world.[4]

I suppose that you refer at south america, most people died of epidemics, even if there were excess commited by spanish. The Spanish inquisition killed only 3000 to 5000 people.

By the way industry was invented by christians. Not really, in India, hindus were slaughtered because of being hindus, when WW2 was a war, and the number of people killed in reason of their religious background were "only" around 6 millions. So it's still the muslims who commited the biggest genocide of history. In the end, you're not totally wrong, when people are killed, they're killed, no matter the intentions behind. But we're speaking of genocide, not raw number of death.

Two sources about what ? That WW2 made a lot of victims. You're mixing up things. It's not a personnal attack : I notice : you hate christian and western people. There is nothing offensive in that, just a plain assessment.

Funny how you reproach me to make personnal attacks and you do that, I don't agree with nazis, so no, well tried.

No, the romans invaded spain, then the roman empire became christian, and pagans in Spain became persecuted after the thelassonic treaty. So christians didn't showed up in Spain, Spain became christian with the roman empire.

My point was that muslims were the one who started the war with chrisitian. Yes when christians came, they killed everybody. So what, muslims invaded spain, and invasion never go with tons of death, and in case of muslims, slavery. What did you hoped ? That muslims subjugated christians for centuries, and that when christians became free, they would have forgotten and forgiven everything ? No. They got what they deserve, racket with your jizyah people for centuries, don't hope they would hug you when they will conquer their freedom back.

Middle age are complex times, it's over one millenium, and you can't compare the 5th century with 15th century, they were very different times. Middle age is the birth of europe, during the roman empire time, an italian felt closer from a north african, after the middle age an italian felt closer to a norwegian. The roman empire was organized aroudn the mediterranean sea, and the most important places of the roman empire beyond Rome were Egypt, Syria, Greece. All of those places were conquered by muslims. So yes when muslims invaded the christian world, they invaded the part where all the knowledge of the roman empire was.
In Europe, things was organized slowly and slowly, and after the 11th century, things got much better for Europe. First there generations of scholars during the 11thcentury who spoke arabic and translated a lot of latin/greek texts (they had a lot through the eastern roman empire too), and were able to catch up a part of their lose time. That's the huge difference between european and arabs, europeans interested themselve on what did the arabs, the opposite wasn't true, and that's how Europe managed to get that huge technological advance in the 19th century. The 11th century was a very important time for Europe, for instance, Fibonnaci lived in the 12th century and 13th century, european will invent modern clockworks during the same time. So, yes, the 5th century to 10th century were dark time, but it's absolutely false for the 11th century to 15th century. The middle age is a myth, because first considering this millenium as a whole is dumb, and the second half of european middle age had a serious share of brillant minds.

It also says: An overwhelming number of Nigerian Christians (71%) had an unfavorable view of ISIS.

Yes, it's much more than what you said first, so it's not 100 000 people, it's millions. Furthermore, that's a test only for ISIS, there is a lot of terrorist organizations. For instance Al Qaida and ISIS are at war, so they can support other organizations.

Much more that the algerian who leave migrants in the desert
https://www.dw.com/en/algeria-abandons-hundreds-more-african-migrants-in-desert/a-44687637
Furthermore, "refugees" are invasion armies. So yes, you can tolerate somethings, not people who come kill you.

Why would we accept muslims to build mosques ? If you welcome muslims in your country, they will start to do terrorist attacks. Polish and hungarish people accepted no muslims, they got no attacks. Why accept to have hundred of death when you can have non ? Why accept to have your culture slowly disappear because of migrants who hate your culture ?

Spanish inquisition who made 3000 victims. Far from the millions you seems to pretend.

I speak of genocide, you speak of massacre, that's two different things.

Both. That's rather simple to understand Norway => Iceland => Groenland => North america.

They break the long travels in many smaller travels, when Christophe Colombus ships were able to have

I sourced that modern clockworks were invented by European. Yes, there were clocks, there were gears, but "modern" clockworks were still invented in Europe. You have nothing do deny that.

Up to the 15th century, clockwork was driven by water, weights, or other roundabout, relatively primitive means, but in 1430 a clock was presented to Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, that was driven by a spring. This became a standard technology along with weight-driven movements. [/quote]

I don't except you to accept that, I noticed that you always deny everything which come from the west, I have a precise quote showing that clocks came from primitive objects to more accurate things during middle age. But by the way, you're unable to admit it.

Christian became more tolerants, and what happened ? A bunch of middle eastern came in their countries and started to detonate bombs and enslave local girls (rotherham and telfort case). At the opposite, some christian countries stayed more intolerant, and they get no terrorist attacks. It seems that intolerant one were right.

Most western countries were against it.

France and Germany opposed themselve, and France got financial repercussions. Italy, Spain and Portugal stayed three years, until it was clear for the populations that the massive destruction weapons was an absolute scam, and such weapons never existed.

I just proved it was an european invention, originally just supported by a bunch of western countries.

Please, I spoke many times with people who lived in Qatar, and they all hated their lives there, but they were more agnostic than christian. However, I never spoke with some people in Saudi Arabia.
It doesn't change that the quran speak of killing my family wherever they're found (so yes, I know the hypocrisy, when the quran encourage violent deeds, it never really mean it, it really mean it only when he ask to be nice).
I'm not a stupid leftist and I won't accept that.

ISIS aren't the only islamic extremists. And I would more interested to more precise questions like : Do you support death penalty for apostates ? What do you think of polytheists ? Do you think that christian and jews should pay the djizyah ?

I never specifically mentionned Saudi Arabia, I mentionned that painting can be forbidden in Islam, and I mentionned two sources of muslim forbidding to have any picture.

I never pretended the opposite, I pretend that some muslims consider music as haram, which is the case, and I mentionned some posts ago the hadith.
Furthermore, if I remember well the hadith forbid to use music instruments, but I won't be surprized that the saudis won't care.

 

You're blind or ? This picture is not representative, it's abstract/geometrical art. It doesn't represent any human or animal figure, like I claimed. At best it represent vegetal shapes. Yes, there is some rare paintings, but in a childish style, nothing compared to western art, or in a different style japanese/chinese style.

So yes, it's very beautifull. That's a wonderfull piece of art, but that's not representative art, and it show well that islamic world and european world aren't compatible and in our nowoday days, the first is a threat to the second.
It still confirm what I think, muslim culture is a threat to western one.

 

@notme I was reading back that searching for something I missed, and I realized that in a voluntary or unvoluntary, you tricked me in a huge way. When you pretend that 60 millions of muslims support ISIS, well it's false. 60 millions of muslims support ISIS in the 11 countries the poll was realized (Lebanon, Israel, Jordania, Palestinian territories, Indonesia, Turkey, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Malaysia, Senegal and Pakistan). Syria was added from another poll.

A lot of muslim regions stay unchecked, like North Africa, India who are place where there is a big part of muslims, no countries of the arabic peninsula had poles.

So 60 millions muslim support ISIS, in 11 (or 12) muslim countries.

So when you claim that 0,03 % of muslims, that's a fake news. However, I will suppose that it's a mistake from your part, and not an intentional intentional wish of deceive.

Furthermore, it's rather interesting that there were A LOT of people who are undecided. So there is not only at least 60 millions muslims supporting ISIS, there is too much more people who are not against it. Just for Pakistan and Nigeria, we get up to around 160 millions of people who are not against ISIS.

At the opposite of you, I will not make the childish comment "you lost that debate" or calling you a "weak debater" because you're making up fake news, but obviously you made a huge mistake, at worst a huge lie, but let's go for the mistake. Mistake you will be unable to acknowledge by the way.

 

You mean.... 3 to 5K refused to convert or leave Spain... and so got massacred. It is spreading Christianity by the edge of the sword. Something the Muslims did not do in Spain. Hence the Jews fled to the Muslim Ottoman empire.

Besides 7 million during the reconquista. Dunno how you missed that.

So are you. And when Muslims make the biggest genocide according to you,.. it's a thing that it's the biggest. But when Christians started a war that got far more people killed, than it's all what bigger evil?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe
According to new surveys about Religiosity in the European Union in 2012 by Eurobarometer, Christianity is the largest religion in the European Union accounting 72% of EU citizens.

It's Christian. Quit ya whining.

Dude... they killed well over a 100.000 civilians in just Tenochtitlan. And you do add up everybody who died through famine and diseases in India. So I can do the same for South America.

How Christian kill people who refuse to convert, is genocide. And that is how they behaved with their conquest on South America.

Including the murder industry. And the nuclear bomb to maximize the massacre among civilians.

Your Islamophobic rant that Muslims are going to kill all Jews at the end of time. I disproved that with 2 sources.

You still said them wars were for the greater good. And so you claim the holocaust was for the greater good.

That is you saying no, but still agreeing the Christians converted Spain by the edge of the sword,... as well as the rest of Europe.

It was normal conquest about 2 sides. They let them Christians be. The Christians how ever went for genocide and ethnic cleansing.

It still is that Christians dropped the Roman and Greek knowledge, where Muslims did not.
And you're not disputing that.

Leaves out 29% of Christians... having an other view about ISIS!

Dude. I always said 0.01%. I sourced that. According to PEW research it's 0.03%. The percentage of Nazi's in the US is twice as high. You know... them people who did the Holocaust for your alleged greater good. Who is more evil, ey?

That is just you admitting you're not any better than Saudi Arabia. But you critisize Saudi Arabia for their policies,.. and hypocritically want it too.

That is in Spain. Not world wide. And them 3K are only people who did not flee and chose to get killed.

You're not following any coast when you go for Iceland.

Sailing the high sea is sailing the high sea. You still need a sea worthy ship.

I sourced it's rather minimal.

You claimed they invented clocks, while the fact is that they only invented the spring. That's like you saying they invented lenses,... while the father of optics (including lenses) is an Arab.

Ah... changing the goalpost. You went all high and mighty about look at our norms and slavery... while the fact is that Christians utterly violently discriminated the black population.... 20 years after WWII in the US. And even later in the South Africa.

Still is a Christian country who was that evil, that they made up "facts" and for no reason attacked a country totally across the world over nothing.
And most Christian countries eventually helped out the US/UK with their occupation.

Absolutely irrelevant. You put up a fake list of countries who signed it. Fact is the entire world supports it.
And the west crosses them lines left and right with their wars.

And I put up 2 sources disproving your islamophobic claim.

You put up a youtube source of a supposately Salafist iman. And I sourced that claim of your is fake from the Saudi Salafist king himself.

You claimed it is forbidden according to the Koran. I disproved that by showing the King of the most deeply devoted Muslim nation does none of that.

 

They are using YOUR PEW source!

You tricked yourself with fake news.