Mall of America: 'Jesus Saves' t-shirt is offensive. Take it off or leave.

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  1. ECA

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    You title is misleading because he neither had to take his shirt off or leave.
     
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  2. Steve N

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    He was originally told to, didn’t you read the story or watch the video?
     
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    Go ahead and direct quote me saying I support discrimination of the type you are indicating

    Show everyone your reading comprehension skills
     
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    Yup, I did read the story, which is how I know your title is misleading.
     
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Was he allowed to both stay in the mall and wear the shirt at the end of it (as long as he didn’t proselytize)?
     
  6. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Well sure, man. Right here...

    "Isn’t the goal to allow private landowners the ability to choose who they serve?"
     
  7. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are the next 7 words in that paragraph?
    Whose goal am I speaking of?

    You’ve got this! I have faith in you
     
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  8. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    You posted the comment. It's up to you to defend it, not me...lol
     
  9. cd8ed

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    New level of low.
    Congrats. It’s fitting

    The part you wish wasn’t there:
    That was the narrative from the right the last thread they were in

    I can deal with partisans but have no desire to deal with trolls or clowns. Cheers
     
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    You got a link that supports your harassment claim?
     
  11. Steve N

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    Did you catch this part? I also think we are thinking of different things when talking about first case/second case. In my mind the first case were the prior days when he was preaching, the second case was when he kept his mouth shut and just wore the shirt. I’m in agreement with the mall that if they say no preaching and he does it anyway then he should leave, and so should people who preach blm, gay pride, political, Islamic, gender, etc stuff because it annoys people even when they agree with it. The guard also said people were offended by the shirt.

    The guard replies: 'Again, I'm giving you a couple options. You can take the shirt off and you can go to Macy's and you can do your shopping.

    'Or you can leave the mall, OK? Those are your only options right now,.'
     
  12. Steve N

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    This is one of the rare stories where the headline doesn’t say White Cop Oppresses Black Man.

    I have him blocked, but has Matt chimed in on this harassment? I’m betting he hasn’t.
     
  13. ECA

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    From the link you provided in the OP

    “A spokesman for Mall of America told DailyMail.com that the man was allowed to remain in the Mall following the interaction while still wearing his shirt.

    This is despite the fact guards can clearly be heard threatening to kick him out.”
     
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    Agreed, once others peaceful enjoyment of private property is violated the owner or their representatives should always be able to ask that individual to cease said activity or vacate.

    We live in the age of the perpetually offended — from blue haired liberal to evangelical conservative.

    And he did indeed say that, likely due to the prior interaction but what the ultimate result of the interaction was he was allowed to remain on property and was allowed to keep the shirt on. There are a ton of unknown variables and all we do know is that he had been previously removed due to bothering other patrons, was at the mall after the first instance, was asked to remove his shirt or leave, ended up not having to do either.
     
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    So we have pieced together what happened. In summary, based on prior conduct and complaints, he was asked to remove the shirt or leave by one of the security guards. Another joined the discussion and they ascertained that he had been and was going to be better behaved this time, so they decided to de-escalate and see how another chance worked out. It seems like this worked out well for both sides. He got to stay, and wear his shirt, other customers were not harassed by him. Win/win everywhere but on this forum where someone wanted to turn it into a loss and Christian victimhood. I think everyone behaved in a way as to encourage this guy to stop bothering customers and he stopped bothering customers.
     
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    Good job ignoring the troll.
     
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    Hardly a mouthful. But, yep.
     
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    JET3534 isn't talking about rules. Hes talking about reality.
     
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    the reality is, this person was disturbing other customers on previous occasion, handing out religious dogma, had been removed other times in the previous days, this time he explained he was not going to hand out his dogma and bother customer, so the security guard fist bumped him and let him go on his way.... wearing his shirt
     
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    I know that Americans are stupid so let me ask you about soliciting and offending employees in the workplace. What is the rule or the reaction to shoppers entering other stores in these circumstances?

    one and two.jpg
     
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    In this circumstance, I have to agree.
     
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    Alright. The shirt is offensive to folks practicing other religions. They crossed the word 'co-exist', and the shirt read 'Jesus is the only way'. I'll count it as hateful expression. I'd kick that person off my property.

    And before someone calls me sensitive, let me just share with you my opinion on Ann Coulter's statements that I, a Jew, will go to hell. That isn't hate speech. Her religious group believes that all people that do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will go to hell. I can see the distinction.
     
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    The BLM Logo should rise to the level of hate speech. The rise in hate crimes among African Americans against Jews, Asians, and other minorities. BLM ideology is based on an African-American version of Marxist and Communist ideology that is made racially, ethnically, socioeconomically and nationally distinct in order to unify oppressed groups towards political violence against other enemy classes Anyone that looks at the Nazi Manifesto would quickly realize that Hitler used the Communist Manifesto as outline, and he played on the same feelings of oppression, resentment, and identity as Lenin and Marx. It's no surprise that Jews are the target of attack for BLM.

    In 2022, New York City saw a nearly 40% increase in violent crime and much of that crime was targeted towards ethnic minority communities. In fact, New York City reported having a 300% increase in antisemitic attacks and found that nearly all of the attacks were committed by Blacks against the Jewish community. We are seeing an attitude shift among the more radical members of BLM in which they resent the concept of 'Jewish Entitlement', wherein Jews ignore police brutality and systems of oppression. https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-713864
     
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    Blaphomet? Why would a t-shirt that advertises a brand of yeast made to make bread offend anyone?
     
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    "Jesus Saves" is perfectly fine on a t-shirt. But "Mary Spends" would be aggressively sexist.
     

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