Man Arrested in Wichita Kidnap Plot of Mayor

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  1. modernpaladin

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    The natural rate is going to be what the people of that area want to do. Juxtaposed with the people of an area having bureaucrats from another cultural and/or national region making the decision for them.

    I am if their culture embraces customs that violate our law and they're unwilling to assimilate. Would you have Neo-Nazi's immigrate to your town?
     
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  2. Lesh

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    Had a feeling
     
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    One frustrated guy who did nothing violent, just talked trash on the internet.
     
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    Threatening someone's life is more than "talking trash...and searching for and obtaining their home address shows that it was more than just talk
     
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    Not really. They are striking out at the replublic because they want a democracy. These 'elected officials' are enacting laws that were not voted on by the people.
     
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    So you defend this?

    And of course the planned attack on Witmer too right?

    Jesus
     
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    What about my statement gives you that idea?
     
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    Hogwash!
     
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    Your own words
     
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    All of Trump's surrogates, especially family and "significant others," behave exactly like he does in interviews: constantly interrupting and talking over the interviewer, and either deflecting, obfuscating, or outright lying instead of answering direct questions. I don't understand why the cable and network news programs continue to allow these rude, whiny little children to come on their shows. I'm all for free speech, but these people can't tell the truth even when their own lives depend on it.
     
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    Apparently, so is the Trumpism kool-aid.
     
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    To some, perhaps. I don’t drink the Trump flavor or anyone’s for that matter; worked providing consulting services to too long to government to be dazzled by smoke and mirrors, have seen behind too many curtains... it’s way, despite recruitment attempts, I never ran for office.
     
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    Where in my words? I don't see it. You will have to define the logical process you are making to come to this conclusion. It's also important that you recognize your presumptions about how I may feel or not feel about the various concepts/terms mentioned.
     
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    Horsesh't. They're extremists, like Antifa, willing to use violence to further their ends. They know they don't have public support.
     
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    Obviously, I condemn the methods used or were going to be used by the kidnappers.

    They are not like ANTIFA. ANTIFA are terrorists who terrorize innocent civilians to force a political agenda. There is nothing more disgusting than that.

    There is a judicial process to protect our constitutional rights, as well as a way to petition government. Finally they can vote out the governor or mayor. I don't condone bypassing these processes and utilizing violence or kidnapping.

    Of course if government did prevent the people from excersising their constitutional rights and their rights to be heard and listened to by their representatives via these processes, I would regard a violent retaliation to be the inevitable result of a totalitarian government.
     
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    Not one word was defending it in any way.

    Would you like a dictionary?
     
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    And yet you accuse me, someone you've never met and know next to nothing about, of having been hoodwinked or somehow enthralled.

    Sometimes I think of starting a new political party, where members and candidates don't give a crap about your personal baggage, only what you bring to the table. I'd call it the Warts and All Party ... WYSIWYG. Wouldn't that be refreshing?
     
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    Do you find these people on a Unicorn farm?
     
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    If only I knew where to find one ...
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Not sure of the context of your first statement. Please refresh my memory.

    As for the Idea of creating a new political party. It would be a daunting undertaking. There have been a couple attempts with Ross Perot and there is also the current Libertarian party. Before even considering a ‘Warts and All Party ... WYSIWYG’ any new party must be able to articulate it’s distinct mission in simple language that makes clear it’s difference from the other current dominating political parties. Then it must field candidates that have the charisma and exposure that appeal to significant numbers of voters (something the Libertarians have failed to do), then the financial hurdle must be overcome (the most difficult undertaking) that makes the party look as if it has a chance at Hell of winning an election and not just drawing votes to from one of the other parties as an election spoiler.
    In some cases personal baggage can carry questions of fitness and in other cases is simply exposed material that ‘will’ be leveraged in spin rhetoric to persuade specific special interest voting segments segment to reject a candidate. Often in the campaign process, the intense media scrutiny and coverage makes an election a celebrity popularity contest by the various media sources over the substance of the issues (something the DEMS know well). Then too, the major sources of campaign financing are from longtime alliances that will not seek to invest in an untried venture; in this the DEMS and Republicans have a virtual lock on campaign funds that would be difficult to overcome... I have often in a forlorn manner, suggested one means to overcome some of the aspects of campaign finance night be to require campaign donations to be anonymous to disconnect money from the potential hint of quid pro quo or to eliminate all corporate, super PAC, Lobbying groups, and other group contributions requiring they must only be accepted by private individuals and have a ceiling on those contributions. But, campaign reform, is tantamount to having the foxes rule to mitigate their influence over the chicken house.
    Aside from other reason, I didn’t run because, despite my belief my experience leaves me with significant experience and insight for fighting for the benefit of the citizenry, that in running I’d have to expect that my skeletons would be dug up, weaponized, and thrashed, potentially hurting the innocent and those I care about in that maelstrom, something wouldn’t figure is my right to do, and in that thrashing the potential for wrecking other aspects of my life would be something out of my control. As a consultant, I was able to have an impact (for the most part) but remain out of the maelstrom that would have diminished my contribution. I always found it curious that candidates with the chance to win office have generally been selected to run because they have spotless backgrounds, which often meant to me they lacked life experience.
    So your starting your new party... ok, but not likely realistic. I would say the same of attempt by the Unite America group that is attempting to draw funds for a new movement in recent months.
     
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    True, it would be a very daunting task, especially in what is still a rather prudish Judeo-Christian society.

    It would be much easier to create a new religion. Probably make a boatload of money, too. ;-)
     
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    And Fauci has been getting death threats from exactly this kind of right wing cretin
     
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