Martial Arts, Self Defense, and Combat Sports

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  1. leftlegmoderate

    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    I studied Hapkido as well. There are some decent elements to Hapkido, namely the simple techniques you learn from the beginning. There are some good throws and joint locks which could be applied outside of a controlled environment, but I'd imagine you could agree that as one advances through the ranks, some techniques begin to border on absurd.... no, ARE absurd. One of the main problems with Hapkido, is that there really isn't a practical way to drill what you've learned. Beginning a technique from a static position with a ready and willing partner simply doesn't reflect a realistic situation.

    Hapkido is the art which taught me how to kick. Within Hapkido, you can find all the jumping/spinning/flying kicks one would find in Taekwondo, but typically things are kept a bit more sane. I've long since adopted what I've learned from kickboxing and Muay Thai, but definitely have HKD to thank for creating my base.

    I've also studied Kung Fu, about two years of Wing Chun. My first experience with WC came from a non traditional source, a hybrid form. Then I studied under an instructor directly from Ip Man lineage, by just a couple generations. Again, there are some things worth learning, like Chi Sau (sticky hands), and also things which are pretty worthless, like chain punching.



    Hey, I'm glad you were able to apply what you've learned.

    Did you ever learn any cane technique from Hapkido?
     
  2. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    Sorry; I didn't notice this reply in my queue. Yes those are excellent fighting principles. I'm going to key in on your, " . . . it's good against someone not trained," observation. We are in complete agreement on that point. I have always maintained that what an earnest martial artist (or rather a self-defense oriented martial artist) should be doing is training for self-defense against someone only moderately skilled, if at all.

    Also don't over complicate things. Keep your techniques basic in nature and as brutally practical as you feel comfortable risking. Nobody reeeeeeealllly wants to explain to a judge why he executed a Tiger's Mouth strike to a fellow hyoid bone over what witnesses insist was nothing more than an emotions heated scuffle. Or tell a judge, "Well your honor his face was at just the right angle for me to thrust my thumb into his eye and so since that was a part of my training I just naturally . . ." Bad idea that!

    So people who talk about applying lethal or theoretical lethal (or maiming) techniques in a confrontation really do need to consider that if they do that and win the fight eventually they will be seated in court explaining why they thought they were justified to do such a thing over a mere scuffle.

    All that aside, however, I've always felt it best to train for a confrontation with someone aggressive who's not really all that well trained. Why? Because that's most likely who you might just have a run in with over the course of a life time and in regards to someone as well trained as yourself it's sort of like the bromide about the NFL. On any given day any team is as likely as not to win as any other -- given that the team in question, does not happen to be the Texans, that is. :icon_jawdrop:

    So train for the average Joe who's just having one of those days and you represent his ideal punching bag. Train for this happening in a misting rain, at night, in cold weather, and on either uneven ground or a slippery surface while you are wearing too much clothing and your hands are partially numb -- which happened to me once, by the way.

    Body-shift and block, surge to push him off balance and then strike his exposed rib cage while he is stumbling to one side; while hoping that your strike has a telling effect through the bulk of his own jacket. Retreat and ready yourself for either a counter attack or for moving in and jamming or for turning on your heels and running for it. But what happened then was that he went down on one knee, looked up at me in pain or shock (it was dark and misting rain and so I'm not sure regarding his expression), and then he got to his feet in a half crouch and stumbled away into the enclosing darkness. I gasped in relief, finished my premises security check and then returned to my station and wrote it up with my hands trembling in delayed reaction.

    But . . . it might just as easily gone down an entirely different way. I might have missed that initial attacking movement coming at me with absolutely no warning from the darkness and so neither body shifted nor blocked in time. Or my shoes might have slipped on the wet and slanted concrete ramp. Or when I retreated I might have actually stepped off the ramp and then been injured when I landed on the broken glasses strewn concrete below. Anything can happen in a real fight and so you try to keep that in mind when training and when cobbling together general self-defense principles and specific techniques.
     
  3. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you really think about it 95%+ of the public is either not trained at all or poorly trained.

    I take my son's school for example. We live in Orange County, California. We were very fortunate to be withing 1 mile of very top academy for kids and adults. Marcus Almeida Buchecha trains the adults there for reference. He's #1 in the world open class. He fights only the best. From my son's school, only 5 children of over 600 children train there. 3 of them are my son's friends who we referred to the gym. Now, I am sure there are some TKD and Karate trained kids lurking, but they are perhaps another 10 kids. That means less than 3% are trained at all. Yeah, most confrontations will be with those not trained and it matters a lot.

    So a new kids came into class last night... well he's been there about 2 weeks. He is a bit larger than my son who is 11. This kid is 12. He never rolls with my son, due to lack of experience. But, he does roll with other smaller 9-10 kids while he get's to learn some basics. Well, he got a little big for his britches and his cockiness landed him 3 minutes with my son. After (4) submissions in 3 minutes and totally getting dominated, he realized that he was only rolling with smaller kids and that his "wins" were a product of strength and not technique. Faced with a kid almost as strong as him with superior technique, he got crushed. He then returned to acting a lot more humble around the smaller guys. The lesson was learned.

    Top 3 I would train someone in (not in specific order): BJJ - Muay Thai - Wrestling
     
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    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    I completed the full DVD set of Tae Bo, by Billy Blanks, so I know a little something.

    Anderson Silva was right about his loss in that fight, the guy was lucky because leg checks breaking any leg is a one in a million shot. The first time that guy beats him it was luck, because he didn't train due to how horribly wrestlers are at fighting in martial arts.

    The second time a lucky leg check, the media shouldn't crucify Anderson for making legitimate statements.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I miss you dude.... post more. =)
     
  6. leftlegmoderate

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    UFC Fighter Thiago Silva Arrested, Jailed After Armed Standoff with Police

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

    Always seems that a woman is involved :laughing: Dude should have just settled it the old fashioned way.... being a fighter and all.

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    Yeah, Thiago is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.
     
  8. leftlegmoderate

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    Well, here's proof that JiuJitsu won't help you in a cell full of at least 20 hardened (pun intended) Brazilian inmates....

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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    I trained under a very old school 9th degree TDK grandmaster , a very practical man who gave common sense approach to fighting/confrontation...1st rule, walkaway whenever possible, any fight can leave someone dead...2nd if you have no option to leave hit once and then leave, dont wait for opponent to get up..3rd, respect everyone, even an experienced untrained streetfighter can defeat you, all techniques have strengths and weaknesses ...4 be aware of your limitations(dont get into battles with boxers in confined spaces youneed to stay out of their reach, dont let a wrestler get a hold of you )....5 when confronting someone with a knife, run....6 if man has gun give him your money, he will kill you he has a gun!...there were many more but those are what I recall right now...

    But as to your story no one should be confident their fighting technique is the perfect answer...I have four brothers, two of whom were nasty street fighters, the other two were black belts, one had BBs in judo, jujitsu, trained in boxing as well an experienced street brawler, he did kill someone in 3 on 1 battle he being the one....the other a tkd man like myself got into a bar brawl with the bouncer a national judo champion and defeated him not with TKD but with brute strength, applied a crushing neck lock until he surrendered...
    Then there were my 2 sweet sisters also street brawlers that hospitalized two men that over estimated their maleness, one needed his face stitched together the other a broken leg...
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many used to say that Cyborg was too much for Rousey, but I think that statement is no longer true. Rousey has brought her striking up to a fantastic level and she would throw Cyborg no matter what anyone thinks. She has thrown much tougher women in the Olympics.

    Here is Rousey's now striking....

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    OUTSTANDING!!!!

    None of Cyborg's finishes are that good, even against worse opponents.

    Also, Cyborg took steroids and even testosterone.... she's a man in my book.
     
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    It was a bit of a surprise to hear that Rousey had won by knockout. Perhaps Rousey was lucky that the fight never truly went to the ground, as Davis is a bjj black belt... and might have had just enough advantage in skill to submit Rousey.

    But yeah, Rousey is a competent striker. I think Rousey haters have been making way too much of Cyborg's striking ability as it pertains to a Rousey/Cyborg match. I think Rousey (and her camp) is too smart to give Cyborg the fight she would need to win, and also think that Rousey has a better ground game. Not to say that Cyborg can't roll... she's won some high level competitions, but her game is heavily wrestling influenced, and a Judoka of Rousey's caliber isn't going to fall for that (*)(*)(*)(*). My official Cyborg/Rousey prediction?... Rousey via sub... after a really tough battle.

    WTF is it with Rousey haters anyways? I mean, these people are friggin ridiculous. I love it every time Rousey wins, I get to read all the nonsense hate posts on my news feed, and laugh.
     
  12. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;pz91tg7JX-o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz91tg7JX-o[/video]
     
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    MMC Well-Known Member

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    Kempo.

    [video=youtube;7PlCNECev44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlCNECev44[/video]
     
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    MMC Well-Known Member

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    Wing Chun.....which really was created by a Woman who had been studying Kempo. Then met a Buddhist Nun who taught her a style learned from observation of the Crane and Snake. Soft Forms....of Kung FU.

    [video=youtube;pGFf3SRP1bE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFf3SRP1bE[/video]

    [video=youtube;gBxOU_IhtGQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBxOU_IhtGQ[/video]
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    I studied Tae Kwon Do for several years and won an All American title
    in 1979.

    My teacher was Tang Soo Do. It's a mixture of several martial arts. Not that
    it's superior to another. The only thing superior is the student's progression.
    He's either better than another or not.

    I'm not so sure that any martial art, available to the public, are 100% pure. I
    mean, Kung Fu, Judo, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, etc... are 100% of the intent of
    the creator. I believe it's because of the influx of American/Asian in the arts. I
    see the martial arts in the US as Tex Mex is to Mexican food. There are many
    variables and most are very good.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee are/were the real deal. I met Chuck Norris in 1979.
    He was a genuine regular guy and very friendly.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is nothing but true. Both, could kick ass.
     
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    To me, anything that's practical or functional is pure. The bull (*)(*)(*)(*) has been filtered out!
     
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    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    Well... I guess that's one way to deal with cauliflowered ear...

    [video=youtube;Gl3JVBa3OyE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl3JVBa3OyE[/video]
     
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    More cauliflower nastiness. This time an exploding ear.

    [video=youtube;qSdDRQql_4I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdDRQql_4I[/video]
     
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    When I was a kid, I was in a karate class for a little while. But I dropped out because it wasn't very interesting, as well as scheduling problems if I remember correctly.

    Here is one awesome looking weapon

    http://real-self-defense.com/unbreakable-umbrella/
     
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    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    Pretty cool.

    I've got a 'neck knife' made by cold steel. It looks like a gawdy necklace, but underneath my shirt is one of these. Can't remember the last time I wore it though. On occasions where I feel a weapon may be of use (which is exceedingly rare) I just carry my P-11.
     
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    I want to get back into kick boxing, i find it is a all round martial arts form, and, i might want to mix it with others. but, i am getting old now...
     
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    I have a couple Judo coaches who're in their 50's and still active on the mat several times a week. Judo is definitely one of the roughest arts you can study, and they're still at it despite both having serious injuries that put them out for long periods of time. So don't worry about age too much, just know your limits.

    I also encounter a lot of older guys doing JiuJitsu. Again, an art that can be hard on the body, but not impossible to study in your later years.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I've been told that aikido was designed for older people but I've been told that about most martial arts at one time or another. Aikido does seem to require less strength and flexibility though it seems to ask for a fair amount of speed, however, I was told by one martial artist that speed isn't actually a parameter within any martial art, as they can all be fairly effective even if done slowly, as long as you know how to do them. Is that so?
     

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